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Hey there Dakka,

What does BA have to deal with Tyranids?
I'm having a big problem trying to even put a dent in my friend's army. He fields a solid mix of MCs, Warriors and Shrikes.

Are sternguard about it to stop them? I can't beat them in CC...

Thoughts?

Assault cannons, vindicators, flamers...

I was thinking assault cannon spam. Baals and ravens?

One could expand the question to ask what the BA have vs anyone other than Sisters or BT, but that's not the question.

If you are tailoring for Tyranids, I suggest ML spam as much as possible. It's pretty much the ultimate anti-Tyranid weapon. Except for the rare 2+ save. Shoot these at the MCs until they stop moving.

You'll want a stormraven and possibly quad gun for the flyers.

Do you really want to get within 24" to start shooting? The assault cannon to me is a situational weapon.

The vindicator is solid vs the Nids, too. It will instagib the warriors but doesn't kill the big ones very quickly. See above ML spam for that.

Flamers are great vs the little ones, but fragnoughts make a mockery of all tyranid troops.

After you have weakened them with the above weapons, then your ASM should be able to win combats. This is in general what the BA need to do for every opponent in 6th. Gone are the days of line up the ASM, DC, and Mephiston and go.





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Also, I plan to ally with C:SM to get my grubby BA hands on riflemen dread and TFC. These weapons are both great vs Tyranids.

Spam out as many stormravens as possible. Once you kill the Hive guard the rest of the tyranid army is useless vs stormravens. You can even go into hover mode and sit outside possible charge range. The tyranid army has no AT outside assault, zoans, and HG. Flying Tyrants can be a problem with vector strikes+iron arm, but arent guarenteed iron arm and are VERY expensive.

Target priority:
Hive guard/zoans
Tyrants/flyrants
Tervigons one at a time (remember, these kill guants when they die due to psychic backlash)
gaunts

Combat squad one assault squad, sang priest in the other. Combat squad the 2 plasma into stormraven and one in a razorback. You need to survive until the stormravens come on and begin obliterating them.
Capt and reclusiarch go with the death company. You should be able to bash a tervigon down in 1 turn with that unit coming out a storm raven. Hide as much as you can (but be aware HG can ignore most cover) and survive until your alpha strike

Reclusiarch Terminator armor combi flamer melta bomb 170
captain melta bomb terminator armor lightning claws

Sang priest 50
10 Assault squad 2 plasma fist 250
Razorback HB 20
10 Assault squad 2 plasma fist 250
Razorback HB 20
9 Death company power axe 2 fists 245


Bal pred HB 145

stormraven Typhoon missile las cannon 225
stormraven Typhoon missile hurricane bolters assault cannon 255
stormraven Typhoon missile hurricane bolters assault cannon 255

I don't like reserving so much of the army. Reserves are the devil, even in 6th. Plus, I don't think you need to resort to this to have a good shot.

Just a quick update:

I played again against my Tyranid friend and I found that the Stormraven really laid a beating on them. Kitted out with the Typhoon and Assault Cannon really helped.

My assault squads did alright holding up with meltas and flamers, while my squad of DC kind of just got rolled over (them boneswords.) My Baal was a bit underwhelming, but that was most likely due to my bad positioning at the start of the game.

I must ask, how well does fielding plasma guns against Tyranids work?

Plasma guns should net you good results vs Nids.

The MC's are generally T6 w/o Iron Arm.

You could always ally in some Wolves.

Rune Priest JoTWW/Living Lightning
10xGreyhunter 2xPlasma gun

Dash of Longfangs if you like.

Other than that, keeping it just codex.
Don't be afraid to spam out some Razorbacks. I'm still a fan of the Las/Plas personally but Assault cannons are nice.

Don't be afraid to spam out some Razorbacks. I'm still a fan of the Las/Plas personally but Assault cannons are nice.

If I owned any, I totally would ._. ...

May consider putting together and Honor Guard all with Plasma to drop with Dante though. That precision strike with 8 Plasma shots is sure to hurt something I would think.

Deep strike vs tyranids sounds like suicide to me. My all comers lists would engage the tervigons with MM attack bikes, lascannons, and plasma bikers. A tailored list could have ML spam from cheapo devs.

So, the consensus I'm getting here is: get big guns (stormravens, las/plas and assault cannon-backs, ect) and shoot them to hell OR drive circles around them, still shooting them to hell...sounds simple enough.

Land speeders with heavy flamers, heavy bolters, or gun boat them with missile launchers. 48 in death tyranids cannot handle.

Tervigons make me rage, that is a creature of pure cheese when your opponent manages to not roll doubles for a long time.

Land speeders will also help you get into a better position to kill the hive guard as they are only a 4+ save

But I can't recommend land speeders for an all comers list. Nor MLs.

I guess typhoon speeders can work in an all comers list. I hate designing for a specific race.

Since we're on the subject of Land Speeders, are they as effective as people claim? It seems like every time I try to run a pair they get blow to bits turn 1.

Yes, that's why attack bikes, especially for BA, are much better. Landspeeders are heavy weapons mounted on an AV 10 hull. A very juicy target for long range weaponry. BA attack bikes can get two 5++ saves with FNP against all non STR 10 weaponry. So watch out for demolisher cannons and tyrannofexes.