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BRB page 51 second paragraph

"Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in weapons profile for each, and you can chose whitch to use each turn."

Not sure how I missed this first 3 times read rulebook. Example weapons have two profiles are

Singing spear , Bolt pistol,ect...


So the way I am reading this is lets say my assault marines shoot during shooting phase then charge into combat they wouldn't get the bonus attack because they couldn't use the close combat profile for the pistol in the same turn, Or shinging Spear could not shoot a rhino and pop it with there spears and then attack the passengers with there power weapons.

Before we get this started first thing people going say pistol's don/t have a second profile but that's covered lower in page 51 that they have the close combat profile, and page 52 under pistols tells you to see page 51.

So am I getting this right becues I have been playing this totally wrong it changes if you should shoot over watch with some guys and other things in the game.

No, an example of this rule would be an Ork Burna.

 grendel083 wrote:
No, an example of this rule would be an Ork Burna.

^^^^^^^^ This, the orc burna can either be used as a flamer or charge and use it as a power weapon, but not both in the same turn. Sadly i'm not following your line of thinking here, if someone could explain it to me I could offer an opinion.

Not how i think this meant to work but yes it looks like you can only use it one way per turn.

I personally believe that they mean for it to be per phase but it would not surprise me if its the other way. This is possibly LOS (4th) all over again.

What that means is that some weapons have multiple profiles for shooting and melee.

A Bolt Pistol has 2 profiles.

One for shooting: Range 12" Str4 AP5 Pistol

and one for melee: Range: combat Str:user AP-

 Grey Templar wrote:
What that means is that some weapons have multiple profiles for shooting and melee.

A Bolt Pistol has 2 profiles.

One for shooting: Range 12" Str4 AP5 Pistol

and one for melee: Range: combat Str:user AP-

Correct to profiles and the rules states you cant use both profiles in the same turn so use it as a pistol shooting or a cc.

Necron Triarch Praetorian Rod of the Covenant is another example.

captain-crud wrote:
BRB page 51 second paragraph

"Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapons profile for each, and you can chose which to use each turn."

I do not see a "separate line in the weapon's profile" for the Bolt Pistol.

But rule says any weapon with two profiles that can be used in close combat and shooting. Witch every Pistol fits into that category. So why can the pistol be used as both if it says chose whitch to use each turn. It doesnt say some weapons have restrictions it says Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Were this is the case there will be a separate line in weapons profile for each, and you can chose whitch to use each turn.

Is there some were else were says this rule doesn't apply to grenades pistols, singing spears and the such? Becues I can not find it the rule is as simple as weapons that have two profiles you must chose witch profile to use that turn. Aka you cant use both.

Because if there is not "separate line in the weapons profile" you are not bound by the "can chose which to use each turn.", as it does not fit the criteria.

 DeathReaper wrote:

captain-crud wrote:
BRB page 51 second paragraph

"Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapons profile for each, and you can chose which to use each turn."

I do not see a "separate line in the weapon's profile" for the Bolt Pistol.

pistols page 52 BRB tell you to go to page 51 BRB
Pistols as close combat weapons
A Pistol can be used as a close combat weapon if this is done use profile above. Witch gives the bolt pistol two profiles.

captain-crud wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

captain-crud wrote:
BRB page 51 second paragraph

"Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapons profile for each, and you can chose which to use each turn."

I do not see a "separate line in the weapon's profile" for the Bolt Pistol.

pistols page 52 BRB tell you to go to page 51 BRB
Pistols as close combat weapons
A Pistol can be used as a close combat weapon if this is done use profile above. Witch gives the bolt pistol two profiles.

But that is not "a separate line in weapons profile" Bolt Pistols profile is on P. 56.

It has type pistol witch includes as a rule for a extra weapons profile.

Profile is listed as CC see page 51.

Pistols still do not have "a separate line in the weapons profile"

It may be somewhere else, but it is not "in the weapons profile"
which is listed on P. 56

That's like saying burna on page 414 only has one profile so it doesn't count we both know they both have two profiles just not listed in same place.

p. 24 rulebook
"Engaged models with two single-handed weapons (often a melee weapon and/or pistol in each hand) get +1 attack."
Therefore the models gets the bonus not from the weapons profile, but rather through the nature of having two weapons.
Since this is the case, the model would keep the additional attack but would not gain special abilities from the 'pistol' type weapon, if said 'pistol' had any such additional abilities.

 Tito wrote:
p. 24 rulebook
"Engaged models with two single-handed weapons (often a melee weapon and/or pistol in each hand) get +1 attack."
Therefore the models gets the bonus not from the weapons profile, but rather through the nature of having two weapons.
Since this is the case, the model would keep the additional attack but would not gain special abilities from the 'pistol' type weapon, if said 'pistol' had any such additional abilities.

page 51
More then one weapon page 51
However it is worth rembering that if a model has two or more melee weapons he gains a +1 attack in close combat.


pistols and close combat

A pistol can be used as a close combat weapon. If this is done use the profile given above.

But as we see we cant use the pistol as a CCW if we have used the pistol profile. Page 10-31 is basic rule anything after page 31 overrides those pages witch advanced rule's for weapons page 51 and advanced rules pistols page 52 do such a thing.

Don't use the pistol then, use your chainsword, you still get the bonus attack for HAVING two close combat weapons, doesn't say bonus attack for USING two close combat weapons.

Your missing that the pistol doesn't count as a close combat weapon unless you can use the CCW profile witch the rule above says you can not uses two diffrent profiles in the same turn.

You are not using a weapon profile at all.
You are using 2 cc weapons.
You cannot use 2 weapon profiles at the same time.

If I have a PF and a pistol. I am not going to utilize the pistol's profile and get ap -. I will use the PF profile

your missing this

The pistol CAN be a close combat wepaon use the folowing profile above

key words can not does it can unless it breaks another rule such as using two diffrent profiles in the same turn.

page 51
More then one weapon page 51
However it is worth rembering that if a model has two or more melee weapons he gains a +1 attack in close combat.

Also this covers a lot more then pistols like as swooping hawks throwing a haywire grnade and then assulting they cant use a diffrent profile for haywire grnade so that model cant use the grnade again.

Hmm I still think it's a bit dubious, but thats just me.

And I would say, be cautious how you go about getting this one across on the table top, and good luck trying to get it to fly, I can't see many people getting behind this one.

The rule says you cant use two diffrent profiles in same turn with a weapon its really that simple.

Except youre not using the profile - the rule says HAVING the pistol is sufficient,

Shooting phase: Use Pistol's profile, fire it.
Assault Phase: Use Chainsword's (CCW) profile, get extra attack from pistol.

You did not find a rule that everyone has been effing up. Get over it. You are making yourself look silly by focusing on one sentence, and overlooking another.
We all understand what it says on p. 51. I also understand what it says on p.24 about single handed weapons .
You get the bonus for 2 single handed weapons
2 single handed weapons
regardless of any profile they may have.
Profile doesn't matter.
at all
ever
show me an example
you cant
there is none
you did not find a rule

For like 4th time Not sure how we got stuck just on pistols this effects a lot of weapon like people throwing grnades then assult with them multiple things here.

Really this is still going?

The rules say that you can charge in and rip apart a squad after shooting them with your pistols.

There is a blanket permission to assault the squad you shot at in your shooting phase. There are some restrictions, your examples don't contain them. Even when dealing with the contents of a transport.

There is a blanket permission to claim +1 A when you have 2 ccw. There are some restrictions, your examples don't contain any of them.

There is no restriction on the blanket permission to shoot at a unit and then assault it in the grenades section. The extra line in pistol profiles that let you use them as a ccw is the word "Pistol" and the detailed section of the brb that contains their rules allowing it.
So your question has been answered. Where a weapon has permission to be used in both shooting and assault there must be a restriction that prevents you using it in both ways in the same turn. Otherwise the blanket permissions are upheld.

Misinterpreting rules and trying to find cheese and controversy where none exists...

Captain, do you work for Beasts of War?

Not sure why we got so stuck on pistols point was this effects a ton of weapons such as throwing grenades then trying assult with same grnade and such.

@Omerakk If you look at old post lot of time as I search rules not great explaing them like wounds carring over when I said no way but youll see most point pretty consitent on having rules right. Also things like people saying you can not add zombies over 10.