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Looks like that's a golden nerf bat to a CML terminator

So under Deathwing it says " you may replace ALL weapons with TH/ SS"

And under CML it's blank where it woud say " you may replace storm bolter with ...."

So it looks like you can't run a CML TH/SS Terminator but a CML SB/PF is fine .

Just verifying

I dunno it looks like you can because you arent replaceing anything. i think it means replace the standard wargear and then after the TH/SS has been taken you may take a cyclone. But i am just applying common sense here. I am sure this argument will be torn apart though. It kind of reminds me of the Typhus zombie thing were no one could figure out what happens first the zombie or the squad upgrade.

You can take upgrades in any order you wish, this is a fact, but for an example, see the Ork FAQ regarding Power Klaw Nobz in shoota squads.

This means it's perfectly fine to swap for the TH/SS then add the Cyclone Missile Launcher afterwards.

Note that there are exceptions to this when a model changes from one type to another and only his prior type had access to something, for instance, a Deathwing Command Squad couldn't have a Deathwing Champion with a Cyclone Missile Launcher.

Thank you for the responses ,if you can take upgrades in any order then yes you can.....great !

 Drunkspleen wrote:
You can take upgrades in any order you wish, this is a fact, but for an example, see the Ork FAQ regarding Power Klaw Nobz in shoota squads.

This means it's perfectly fine to swap for the TH/SS then add the Cyclone Missile Launcher afterwards.

Note that there are exceptions to this when a model changes from one type to another and only his prior type had access to something, for instance, a Deathwing Command Squad couldn't have a Deathwing Champion with a Cyclone Missile Launcher.

This argument is pretty solid and I agree 100%.

I don't have the codex, but I see a few problems.

To get TH/SS you have to replace all your weapons. So if you trade out your storm bolter for a cyclone, then upgrade to the TH/SS you have to loose the cyclone as you must replace all your weapons to get TH/SS and there is no one who could hope to argue that a cyclone isn't a weapon.

Or you trade out your p-fist stormbolter first to get a TH/SS you now no longer have a stormbolter to trade out for a cyclone. Even simultaneous tradeouts still loose you the cyclone because of the loose all weapons restrictions on the TH/SS.

 Jayden63 wrote:
I don't have the codex, but I see a few problems.

To get TH/SS you have to replace all your weapons. So if you trade out your storm bolter for a cyclone, then upgrade to the TH/SS you have to loose the cyclone as you must replace all your weapons to get TH/SS and there is no one who could hope to argue that a cyclone isn't a weapon.

Or you trade out your p-fist stormbolter first to get a TH/SS you now no longer have a stormbolter to trade out for a cyclone. Even simultaneous tradeouts still loose you the cyclone because of the loose all weapons restrictions on the TH/SS.

You don't have to trade out a storm bolter for a CML...

 Tarrasq wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
I don't have the codex, but I see a few problems.

To get TH/SS you have to replace all your weapons. So if you trade out your storm bolter for a cyclone, then upgrade to the TH/SS you have to loose the cyclone as you must replace all your weapons to get TH/SS and there is no one who could hope to argue that a cyclone isn't a weapon.

Or you trade out your p-fist stormbolter first to get a TH/SS you now no longer have a stormbolter to trade out for a cyclone. Even simultaneous tradeouts still loose you the cyclone because of the loose all weapons restrictions on the TH/SS.

You don't have to trade out a storm bolter for a CML...

Correct. It says they may replace the storm bolter with various heavy weapons or take a CML. You do not replace the SB/PF with the CML. So you can replace the SB/PF with a TH/SS and still have the CML.