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**Medanite**

I don't yet have an actual list to post but I was hoping to receive some help designing a 2000 pt. list.
This is my first time venturing into WHFB though I've been playing 40k for quite a while now.
I'm looking to start a Warriors of Chaos army and wanted to get some input and advice. I know that I definitely want to run a Lord on manticore with an Axe of Khorne. I also plan to have the army be Khornate themed. The main thing giving me a hold up right now is that I really do not like Marauders, on foot or mounted. Is it a huge detriment to my army if I do not run them? Is an army of just the armored badasses a bad idea? I had been working on a list and so far had gotten the Lord on Manticore, 3x 10 man squads of Warriors and was trying to divvy up points between some knights and Skullcrushers which is where I got frustrated and decided I might need some help on this one.

**Bloodmagic**

Ok, 1st thing is 1st. Welsome to warhammer fantasy.

Now onto your list.
If you say you are going to play a mono Khorne list, then do so, try to shy away from casters. I know in this edition that is very hard to do, as they bring so much to the table. But many times I have read/seen people put together a list of Khorne chaos warriors only to have it generalled by a Tzeentch mage on disk.
Anyways that is nit picking.

10 chaos warriors are a waste. Field them in units of 18 minimum. If Khornate give them halbesrds with the banner of eternal flame or extra hand weapons with the razor standard. Run them 6 wide and 3 deep. I find the halberds the best build. Very effective.

A unit of 4 skullcrushers costs the same as 6 knights, yet does the job soooo much better. 240 points for this unit is a steal. However you can do what I do and just run both. I find 10 khornate knights supported by 4 skullcrushers a very frightening prospect.

The general theory going around is the more chaos warriors you have, the better. However I am partial to those frothing lunatics with great weapons we call marauders.

Anyway lets look at you list.

Chaos Lord (Manticore, MoK and some gear) 540
* The lord has 100 points of gear factored into cost

Exaletd Hero (BSB + gear) 195
* The hero has 50 points of gear factored into cost

18 x Chaos warriors (Halberds, MoK, std + BEF) 340

Now you just need to find another 190 points of core

6 x Chaos knights (standard, banner of rage) 295
* never lose frenzy

4 x Skullcrushers 240

1x Hellconnon 205

The problem with the list is, your lord costs way too much. I love the idea of a manticore lord aswell, but at 2k points. well he will clock in at more than 25% of your points.
You could prob also drop the bsb instead and put his points and the left over core points into another unit of warriors. Possibly:

18 x warriors (xhw, MoK, Std, razor standard) 375

That leaves you with 5 points.

Actually that looks like a solid list. Lol

**Medanite**

Thank you very much sir. You have been quite helpful.
I already designed the Lord on Manticore and he comes out to right at 500 pts. And I do like the idea of dropping the BSB to make more points for core. I think if I do that and run the warriors as 2 squads of 18 like you said I may be on the right track. Thank you very much for all your help.
I'm right at home making lists for 40k but I felt pretty out of my element here so I can't thank you enough for sharing your knowledge.

**Bloodmagic**

Not a problem, anytime.

**Boss Salvage**

Bloodmagic wrote:
Chaos Lord (Manticore, MoK and some gear) 540
* The lord has 100 points of gear factored into cost

Exaletd Hero (BSB + gear) 195
* The hero has 50 points of gear factored into cost

18 x Chaos warriors (Halberds, MoK, std + BEF) 340

Now you just need to find another 190 points of core

6 x Chaos knights (standard, banner of rage) 295
* never lose frenzy

4 x Skullcrushers 240

1x Hellconnon 205

The problem with the list is, your lord costs way too much. I love the idea of a manticore lord aswell, but at 2k points. well he will clock in at more than 25% of your points.
You could prob also drop the bsb instead and put his points and the left over core points into another unit of warriors. Possibly:

18 x warriors (xhw, MoK, Std, razor standard) 375

That leaves you with 5 points.

Actually that looks like a solid list. Lol

I like this as a basic list, but you can crank it to make it fit, with manticore, extra warriors and more. Shall we?

Chaos Lord - MoK, STUFF, manticore = 500
Exalted Hero - MoK, BSB, talisman of preservation, halberd = 199

18 Warriors - MoK, banner of eternal flame, full command, halberds = 358
18 Warriors - MoK, full command, ahw* = 348
5 Warhounds = 30
5 Warhounds = 30

4 Skullcrushers - musician = 250
Hellcannon = 205
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CHANGES
* Dedicated gear to BSB (4+ ward and a very cheap S6 halberd keeps him simple, choppy and survivable)
* Dropped Razor Standard for points (you could put it back on as there are some points left, however you're better off just making the unit a second halberd unit - there is no matter core trooper in the game than a khornate halberd warrior, having a second unit just might be boring to model or feel spammy if you're worried about such things)
* Added warhounds (as you play more games you will come to appreciate that chaff runs this game, especially when facing armies made entirely of frenzied models! but seriously, I suggest investing in a box of them here at the start and understanding how to use them ...)
* Dropped knights entirely (skullcrushers do it cooler, save the knights for 2500 point games)

TWO THINGS
* While you don't necessarily always want 'full command' (champion + standard + musician) - especially when playing WoC who must auto-challenge if able - you do always always always want a musician if you can take one, especially with an army with so few units, especially with an army that's mostly frenzied (because swift reforms get you back into the game sooner). The warriors have champions because they are needed to keep the BSB from challenging himself into a bad situation (basically the warrior champ can 'challenge faster' than the hero).
* What does your manticore build look like? Happy to help if you want it. Make sure you get charmed shield and ironcurse on there, for a bit of help vs cannonballs

As for the remaining 80 points in the list, I suppose it depends on if you chaos lord maxes out his 500 points. If you've got a bit more points to work with you could have more options available ... perhaps even a low level caster so you can learn the magic phase??? Even if it makes Uncle Khorne (h)angry

- Salvage

**Medanite**

I like this as a basic list, but you can crank it to make it fit, with manticore, extra warriors and more. Shall we?

Chaos Lord - MoK, STUFF, manticore = 500
Exalted Hero - MoK, BSB, talisman of preservation, halberd = 199

18 Warriors - MoK, banner of eternal flame, full command, halberds = 358
18 Warriors - MoK, full command, ahw* = 348
5 Warhounds = 30
5 Warhounds = 30

4 Skullcrushers - musician = 250
Hellcannon = 205
----------
1920

CHANGES
* Dedicated gear to BSB (4+ ward and a very cheap S6 halberd keeps him simple, choppy and survivable)
* Dropped Razor Standard for points (you could put it back on as there are some points left, however you're better off just making the unit a second halberd unit - there is no matter core trooper in the game than a khornate halberd warrior, having a second unit just might be boring to model or feel spammy if you're worried about such things)
* Added warhounds (as you play more games you will come to appreciate that chaff runs this game, especially when facing armies made entirely of frenzied models! but seriously, I suggest investing in a box of them here at the start and understanding how to use them ...)
* Dropped knights entirely (skullcrushers do it cooler, save the knights for 2500 point games)

TWO THINGS
* While you don't necessarily always want 'full command' (champion + standard + musician) - especially when playing WoC who must auto-challenge if able - you do always always always want a musician if you can take one, especially with an army with so few units, especially with an army that's mostly frenzied (because swift reforms get you back into the game sooner). The warriors have champions because they are needed to keep the BSB from challenging himself into a bad situation (basically the warrior champ can 'challenge faster' than the hero).
* What does your manticore build look like? Happy to help if you want it. Make sure you get charmed shield and ironcurse on there, for a bit of help vs cannonballs

As for the remaining 80 points in the list, I suppose it depends on if you chaos lord maxes out his 500 points. If you've got a bit more points to work with you could have more options available ... perhaps even a low level caster so you can learn the magic phase??? Even if it makes Uncle Khorne (h)angry

- Salvage

My Manticore Lord currently is:
Additional hand weapon
MoK
Axe of Khorne
Shield
Bronze Armor of Zhrakk

What does banner of eternal flame do? I can't find it in my army book? I also couldn't find charmed shield or ironcurse.
Thank you for all your help. You guys are really making this less of a headache than it was.

**Icelord**

Those items are in the BRB under common magic items.

You may use the list their in addition to your army book!

**Boss Salvage**

Medanite wrote:
My Manticore Lord currently is:
Additional hand weapon
MoK
Axe of Khorne
Shield
Bronze Armor of Zhrakk

The big problem is that with this build he has basically zero protection against cannonballs, which are going to try to kill him and his beast as soon as possible. Another problem is that additional hand weapon - if you have a magical weapon you can't use a mundane one; if you have a special weapon (so upgraded mundane weapon, like an ahw or halberd) you cannot use your shield in combat; if you are mounted you cannot use an additional hand weapon. The Axe of Khorne is cool and fluffy and can work ... but the Sword of Swift Slaying (another item in the BRB that gives him ASF, and thus rerolls against all things his Init and lower) provides for more attaks hitting, which likely matters more for a big solo model like this.

Chaos Lord + MoK + manticore = 425 points, leaving 75 to work with. If we keep the AoK around and go super fluffy:

Axe of Khorne
Charmed Shield
Collar of Khorne

Basic stuff here, with very limited war machine protection, fighty gear that's based on luck and enough defense to see him tough things out when he makes it to combat, as well as some MR for opponents hoping to kill the monster with magical damage. You should be aware of this grim reality already: your manticore isn't always going to make it to combat, and when it does your opponent will put everything into killing it, not the lord, as the beast is faaaaaaar squishier and will certainly die in short order. Sad times but true. Still mad props for wanting to take the beast

Here's an alternate build filled with common magic items:

Sword of Swift Slaying (ASF magic weapon)
Charmed Shield (shield that ignores first hit on 2+)
Dragonbane Gem (2+ ward vs fire)
Crown of Command (stubborn)

Through clever positioning and dumb luck (or lack of enemy war machines) this will hopefully get the beast into combat, where you'll get 1-2 turns of rampage before the manticore dies. However the lord is pretty content carving through dudes and holding on Stubborn 9, as his army crashes in to help. A flying lord has quite a bit of leeway in choosing his targets: aim for a unit with flaming attaks and he's nigh invulnerable as he scythes through rank and file

The Banner of Eternal Flame gives the unit carrying it (and any attached characters without magical weapons) flaming attaks!

- Salvage

**hallodx**

Hi Medanite.
In WHFB we have Regeneration, similar to FNP in 40K, treated as 4+ Ward save, which is very powerful.
However, flaming attack make this not work, and some particular units take fire.
Since Banner of Eternal Flame is only 10 pts, we prefer bring it.