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just a quick question. where would i find the rule that explain i get coversaves because they're behind ann aegis defense line or not. hope this makes since. thank you.

check in the BRB under Aegia Defense Line and Battlefield Debris.

 TheContortionist wrote:
just a quick question. where would i find the rule that explain i get coversaves because they're behind ann aegis defense line or not. hope this makes since. thank you.

True Line of Sight. YOu *may* get a cover save if they are behind an Aegis defence line; it depends on the height of your models, their models, any intervening terrain that may elevate your position (or depress it) and how far away from the line both of you are.

In general if they are pressed up tight against the aegis you're unlikely to get a cover save but if they are further back from the aegis it's probably going to block line of sight to some of your model. Just get down at eye level and have a look.

This is one of those situation where I wish they had a specific rule like "any model within an inch of the ADL does not have its aim blocked by it". I sometimes put Jokaero Weaponsmiths on top of my Bastion, and they're so small they can't even see over the top of it. Technically that means they block LOS and are blocked, but we play it that they can see over it. Hasn't been an issue so far, but I don't play with any WAAC players. Everyone I know is pretty decent with the rules.

MadmanMSU wrote:
This is one of those situation where I wish they had a specific rule like "any model within an inch of the ADL does not have its aim blocked by it". I sometimes put Jokaero Weaponsmiths on top of my Bastion, and they're so small they can't even see over the top of it. Technically that means they block LOS and are blocked, but we play it that they can see over it. Hasn't been an issue so far, but I don't play with any WAAC players. Everyone I know is pretty decent with the rules.

Within my group of friends, we've actually made that a house rule. Any model in base contact with a barricade or battlement wall ignores the wall for line of sight purposes, as long as the model is taller than the obstruction. Makes things much easier.

MadmanMSU wrote:
This is one of those situation where I wish they had a specific rule like "any model within an inch of the ADL does not have its aim blocked by it". I sometimes put Jokaero Weaponsmiths on top of my Bastion, and they're so small they can't even see over the top of it. Technically that means they block LOS and are blocked, but we play it that they can see over it. Hasn't been an issue so far, but I don't play with any WAAC players. Everyone I know is pretty decent with the rules.

Get a little crate for the monkeys to stand on. If you think about it, they would need that anyway...

BRB 104: If a model is in cover behind a barricade or wall, it has a 4+ cover save

and

Defence lines follow all the same rules for barricades and walls.

And don't forget the almighty WYSIWYG rule. It's pretty clear which side of the ADL is the front and which is the "behind"
Whoever is behind the ADL gets a cover save. Whoever is in front of it does not.

olcottr wrote:


And don't forget the almighty WYSIWYG rule. It's pretty clear which side of the ADL is the front and which is the "behind"
Whoever is behind the ADL gets a cover save. Whoever is in front of it does not.

So than where can I find the almighty rule in the book.

Also it's important to note you can be behind a fence on either side. Same logic applies to the ADL.

I was kind of being tongue in cheek, in a semantics way. Hard to do sometimes. But the WYSIWYG rule has been around for as long as 40K has. A lot of these old tropes did not make it into the 6th ed BRB.

olcottr wrote:
BRB 104: If a model is in cover behind a barricade or wall, it has a 4+ cover save

and

Defence lines follow all the same rules for barricades and walls.

And don't forget the almighty WYSIWYG rule. It's pretty clear which side of the ADL is the front and which is the "behind"
Whoever is behind the ADL gets a cover save. Whoever is in front of it does not.

"Behind" is a relative term here. It describes the position of a unit relative to a shooter. Note that most walls and barricades, where the rule is mentioned, do not have clear front/back facings.
If you deploy your units too far away from the line, LOS will start to get blocked. walls and barricades do NOT say units in front of it get no cover save or otherwise overwrite/contradict the Basic rules. Remember that if a fired upon unit can get cover from just one model in the firing unit, cover saves may be taken. Best to deploy up close to the barricade then, just as would be the case in a real firefight.
I'm not a WAAC player, so I would certainly be willing to go along with helping out shorter units up close to the wall. No point in being tfg.

"is in cover" is the operative fragment. You define if you are "in cover" by using the Cover rules, which require you to be 25% obscured for non-area terrain

The rest just defines the cover save you get if you are "in cover"

If the models in question are 25% blocked by a piece of terrain they get the cover save granted by that particular piece of terrain. In the case of the ADL its a 4+ save, and if you go to ground the save from the ADL is improved by 2.

I don't get why this is such a difficult concept. It keeps getting asked over and over again. Get down and look from the models point of view to see if they are obstructed.

My LGS plays it as your guys on the line are ducking and firing, so if they are immediately behind it they fire with no obstruction, more than 1 inch from it and they start to take true LOS.

This is fair because while my Tau can see over it just fine, I got 3 models that kneel and cant see crap if we used True LOS.

it's based on the models view however there is some rules somewhere about models needing and that they count as standing like a normal mode (might have something to do with IG HWTs but draw a ling from the eyes of the model to the model you are trying to shoot, is 25% of it covered from any model in the shooting squad for non vehicles. for vehicles it's on a per model basis.