| Author |
Message |
 |
|
|
 |
|
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 10:12:11
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
A Skull at the Throne of Khorne
|
Now i know they may/may not be competitive but `nothing seems more appealing than having several of the behemoths on the field at once.
Now i understand there are multiple books that have king tiger lists, i was wondering whats the difference/cost of the different lists? and which book they are in?
any info will be helpful.(this is late war)
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 10:54:35
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
|
Grey Wolf uses them in their Schwere Panzerkompanies; cost is definitely a factor.
They appear to be a bit cheaper in Devil's Charge when running Kampfgruppe Peiper lists. The skill level off-sets the points a bit, but you can run a good number of them in a list in this book.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 11:33:15
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
Oromocto, NB, Canada
|
I run them Earth & Steel and Grey Wolf. Fun list, very limited platoon count but choosing the right combo of platoons helps to offset that.
Mat
|
Mat
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 12:04:13
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
A Skull at the Throne of Khorne
|
so if i went with the company in the grey wolf book how many kings can i get in one army? I do realise im gonna have to support it with pioneers or something(will have to look at the actual list to decide)
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/01/15 12:13:14
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 18:47:39
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
Lieutenant Colonel
|
You might want to reconsider King Tigers....They aren't good for beginners for the following reasons:- 1. Ridiculously expensive Points wise (Only Confident Veteran) Konigstiger (henschel) 1745 points you can field 5 (in Grey Wolf - pg 71) 1 in a HQ + Berge Panther 2 in a Combat Platoon 2 in a Combat Platoon It's a Slow Tank, with Slow Traverse, no-protected ammo, and no wide tracks, Oh and they are overloaded so you need to re-roll successful bogging checks. That is it...I mean that is it! No troops, no Recce, no AAA, no artillery, no Air support, no pioneers. This is a specialist build, I would recommend Tigers Marsch as your first build. Then if you really want to build a (Balanced force  *rolls eyes*) around a King Tiger you can give it a shot. A king tiger force, is an all or nothing force, you either win big or lose badly it's not really competitive or balanced. It can be fun to play, and depending on the TIGER ACE skills can be potent. If you want to do it, go ahead, but it may depress you when you realise being surrounded by Enemy on all sides and shot at on your side armour makes these beast extremely vulnerable. Especially as smaller tanks tanks will have a field day if they get behind to fire on your sides.
|
|
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/01/15 20:42:34
Collecting Forge World 30k????? If you prefix any Thread Subject line on 30k or Pre-heresy or Horus Heresy with [30K] we can convince LEGO and the Admin team to create a 30K mini board if we can show there is enough interest! |
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 19:57:13
Subject: Re:king tigers
|
 |
The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
|
Tigers, and all the super heavy tanks, work best when you have one or two of them as part of a larger force. Preferably an Infantry company thats bringing infantry support, AA, and volume of fire to put down enemy infantry.
Otherwise, an all Tiger/King Tiger force will either get swamped by infantry or out maneuvered by tanks.
|
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 21:28:28
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
|
A Kingtiger army will murder another heavy tank list, do okish against a medium tank army but get steamrolled by everything else. A platoon of 2 KTs isn't even statistically all that likely to pin an attacking veteran infantry platoon.
If I was to field them at all I would take one and use it as an objective guard who can kill just about any tank it can see.
Of course there is the 'rule of cool' but your large number of losses won't be much fun.
|
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog |
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/15 21:34:21
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
Oromocto, NB, Canada
|
The two lists I run with. For an inexperienced player, this will be a tough list to win with. However, contrary to popular belief, a King Tiger list can be a winning list, though lots of game is required to find the right army composition.
Here are my two lists from E&S and GW:
EASTERN FRONT
505. Schwere
COY HQ
Schwere Panzer Company HQ - 1x CinC Konigstiger (350 pts)
COMBAT PLATOONS
Compulsory Schwere Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Konigstiger (345 pts)
Compulsory Schwere Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Konigstiger (345 pts)
WEAPONS PLATOONS
Panzer Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 1x Command Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track, 2x Armoured Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track (150 pts)
DIVISIONAL SUPPORT
PanzerPionier Platoon - 1x Command Pioneer Rifle/MG, 6x Pioneer Rifle/MG, 1x Kfz 15 field Car, 3x Kfz 70 Truck (205 pts)
- Command Upgrade - 1x Replace Command Pioneer Rifle with Command Pioneer Panzerfaust SMG (10 pts)
Armoured Rocket Launcher Battery - 1x Command SMG, 1x Kfz 15 field Car, 1x Observer Rifle, 1x kubelwagen, 4x Panzerwerfer 42 (210 pts)
- Additional Crew - 4x Additional Crew (20 pts)
Luftwaffe Heavy Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 1x Command SMG, 1x Kfz 15 Field Car, 2x 8.8cm FlaK 36 with extra crew, 2x Sd Kfz 7 (8t) half-track, extra crew (115 pts)
1750 Points, 6 Platoons
WESTERN FRONT
502. Schwere
COY HQ
Compulsory Schwere Panzer Company HQ - 1x CinC Konigstiger (Porsche) (350 pts)
COMBAT PLATOONS
Compulsory Schwere Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Konigstiger (Porsche) (340 pts)
Compulsory Schwere Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Konigstiger (Porsche) (340 pts)
WEAPONS PLATOONS
Schwere Panzer Anti-Aircraft Platoon - 1x Command Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track, 2x Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track (135 pts)
- Armour Upgrade - 3x Upgrade Sd Kfz 7/1 with Armour (30 pts)
DIVISIONAL SUPPORT
Panzergrenadier Platoon - 1x Command MG, 6x MG (180 pts)
- Command Upgrade - 1x Replace Command MG with Command Panzerfaust SMG (10 pts)
- Transport - 1x Truck per 2x MG (5 pts)
Armoured Rocket Launcher Battery - 1x Command SMG, 1x Kfz 15 field Car, 1x Observer Rifle, 1x kubelwagen, 4x Panzerwerfer 42 (210 pts)
- Additional Crew - 4x Additional Crew (20 pts)
Luftwaffe Anti-Aircraft Assault Platoon - 1x Command SMG, 2x 8.8cm FlaK 36 gun (95 pts)
- Extra Crew - 2x Extra Crew (20 pts)
- Transport - 1x Sd Kfz 7 (8t) half-track per gun (5 pts)
1740 Points, 6 Platoons
There is still some work to be done, as I am still debating the use of the RT 8.8cm battery.
Mat
|
Mat
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/16 08:39:08
Subject: Re:king tigers
|
 |
Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
|
I've done well with the following from Grey Wolf;
HQ:
Schwere Panzer Company HQ - 1x CinC Konigstiger (350 pts)
Combat Platoons:
Schwere Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Konigstiger (345 pts)
Schwere Panzer Platoon - 1x Command Konigstiger (345 pts)
Weapons Platoons:
Panzer Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 1x Command Armored Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track, 1x Armored Sd Kfz 7/1 (Quad 2cm) Half-track (100 pts)
Divisional Support:
PanzerPionier Platoon - 1x Command Pioneer Rifle/MG, 6x Pioneer Rifle/MG, 1x Kfz 15 field Car, 3x Kfz 70 Truck (205 pts)
- Goliath - 1x Goliath demolition Carrier (30 pts)
Armored Rocket Launcher Battery - 1x Command SMG, 1x Kfz 15 field Car, 1x Observer Rifle, 1x kubelwagen, 3x Panzerwerfer 42 (165 pts)
- Additional Crew - 3x Additional Crew (15 pts)
Luftwaffe Heavy Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 1x Command SMG, 1x Kfz 15 Field Car, 1x 8.8cm FlaK 36 with extra crew, 1x Sd Kfz 7 (8t) half-track (60 pts)
Luftwaffe Light Anti-Aircraft Gun Platoon - 3x Quad 2cm Flak nest (135 pts)
1750 Points, 6 Platoons
My Pioneers protect my King Tigers and also are supported by my Quad 2cm's. The Flak Nests are bunkers and become very handy for LOS and blocking terrain to protect your Rocket Launcher battery and 88 gun. It's still a challenge as you can't afford to lose any hulls, but it works when you use everything together. Focus-fire and maneuverability are key. My Pionners tend to be the work-horse in most of my battles, but still, 3 King Tigers with tiger-ace skills is a handful against most opponents when you're using themm correctly.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/16 08:42:47
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
A Skull at the Throne of Khorne
|
Cool thanks for the replies guys this wont be my first army, i just like toying with idea as i know my friend lacks in the AT department so this would scare the crap outta him and maybe convince him to actually get some more AT
normally i am running a 1750pt romanian tancurii medii list with 15x Panzer IV's and a AA platoon with 4x mitral guns and 2x full vanatorie blindata platoons(half track troops)
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/01/16 19:13:29
Subject: king tigers
|
 |
Lieutenant Colonel
|
Let us know haw you get on, to be fair I have moved over to Panzer IV's as for the price they are awesome. Same with Stug Heavy lists, if you go up against Heavies the only option is to flank them and get those side shots.
|
Collecting Forge World 30k????? If you prefix any Thread Subject line on 30k or Pre-heresy or Horus Heresy with [30K] we can convince LEGO and the Admin team to create a 30K mini board if we can show there is enough interest! |
|
|
 |
 |
|
|