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After reading the new codex I was surprised by the new chaplain entries. They no longer have Litanies of Hate and Honour of the Chapter but instead these have been replaced by Zealot which confers both Fearless and Hatred.

First thing is I assume this is Hatred (everything) as it does not specify. While first of all this seems like a buff as it no longer requires the chaplain to charge to gain this buff as it just says on the first round of combat. But I can not see anywhere that the re-rolls to hit confer to the squad? If this is true sureley this is a major downgrade for the chaplain who is already a fairly overcosted HQ choice.

Hatred requires a single model to have it for the whole unit to benefit, same as PE, Fearless, etc.

Can you please find a quote for hated? Zealot confers from one models to the entire squad but i cannot find the same ruling for hatred... (I would really like to as it would save me a lot of points)

Hatred only works for the model that has it. Zealot, on the other hand, says:
"A unit that contains at least one model
with this special rule has both the
Fearless and Hatred special rules."

So the entire unit gets Fearless and Hatred (Everything).

A while ago I was asking a friend what the different between Litanies of Hate and Litanies of the Dark Angels (Seraphicus' special rule) was. And he told me Litanies of the Dark Angels was a renamed Preferred Enemy special rule and that Litanies of Hate was renamed Fearless and Hatred.

So they replaced Litanies of Hate with a special rule that does the same thing?

Yes, they replaced a rule that gave you Fearless and then a description of what kind of rerolls with a rule that just gives you Hatred.

It simplifies looking up rules by referring you to the rulebook.

Yup, they are streamlining the rules set to cut down on codex specific rules.

I was hoping Litanies of the Dark Angels would get in the new codex, so I still can't use Seraphicus as Seraphicus. A little disappointed.

TimmyTheNerd wrote:
so I still can't use Seraphicus as Seraphicus. A little disappointed.

Sure you can.

He is a Chaplain. So field him as a Chaplain named Seraphicus.

 pretre wrote:

TimmyTheNerd wrote:
so I still can't use Seraphicus as Seraphicus. A little disappointed.

Sure you can.

He is a Chaplain. So field him as a Chaplain named Seraphicus.

He's an Interrogator-Chaplain that had a special rule that I can't legally use. So yes, I can field him as a regular Chaplain, but I can't field him with Litanies of the Dark Angels.

None of the units listed in the Dark Vengeance quick pack have all of the correct rules, iirc. You can't field any of them exactly as listed.

But now you can give him all fancy stuff that is BETTER...

Ok thanks a lot that makes them a much more viable HQ, might have to be getting my terminator interrogator out soon then.

TimmyTheNerd wrote:

 pretre wrote:

TimmyTheNerd wrote:
so I still can't use Seraphicus as Seraphicus. A little disappointed.

Sure you can.

He is a Chaplain. So field him as a Chaplain named Seraphicus.

He's an Interrogator-Chaplain that had a special rule that I can't legally use. So yes, I can field him as a regular Chaplain, but I can't field him with Litanies of the Dark Angels.

Actually it appears you can as per the FAQ he replaces zealot with litanies of the dark angels.

Yep, he has a cost now.

Go GW!