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Hello, I was wondering what is considered the hull on the heldrake?, I imagine the wings count as they would a regular flyer

As well what do the heldrakes vector strike attacks count as? Are they close combat if so then an enemy flyer wouldn't get their jink save

Thanks

Essentially any part of the thing is the Hull.

They are not CC attacks.

You don't get to Evade with a Flyer against Vector Strike because it doesn't roll to hit, which is what you need in order to get the trigger for Evading. You do get any other saves you are eligible for, so if the Flyer has an Invuln or a Cover save from a static source(like Flicker Fields or a psychic power) you may take it.

And any part of the vehicle is considered the hull. Maybe not the little dangly things arounds its exaust vent, but everything else would count.

It's as a shooting attack that doesn't roll to hit but can hit flyers from the position of the heldrake at the end of the move (other then vehicles are ALWAYS hit on their side armor.)
Wings are part of the hull, same with any other flyer.

 jegsar wrote:
they get their jink saves, it's as a shooting attack from the position of the heldrake at the end of the move (other then vehicles are ALWAYS hit on their side armor.)
Wings are part of the hull, same with any other flyer.

Where's it called a shooting attack.

Also GT's right, if you follow the rules for evade flyers never to the chance.

If the vehicle has a Jink save standard yes, but a Flyer cannot Evade against Vector Strike and so can never gain Jink from the attack.

If the flyer had come on, taken an interceptor shot, and chosen to Evade last turn then it would have Jink leftover from that evasion, but if you are trying to declare Evasion after a Vector Strike it is illegal.

Stupid, but illegal.


Edit: More to the point, Cover saves an only not expressly be taken against melee attacks that occur in the assault phase. Any other time it is perfectly allowed to take cover saves.

It doesn't say shooting attack but that is the best way to explain how to resolve it. including where models are taken off from, where to check for cover from etc...

 jegsar wrote:
It doesn't say shooting attack but that is the best way to explain how to resolve it. including where models are taken off from, where to check for cover from etc...

You might think that, but look at Bladevane attacks from CE, or Slash Attacks from Caemons. It's the same thing with a prettier name that can hit flyers.

Well with the new faq that clears up everything... randomized and no cover saves!

Yep, and a 360 degree LOS turret weapon for the flamer, making it even more crazy good.

Yeah, thats crazy.

And the hades autocannon meaning it can fly right over a flyer vector striking it's side and if the fly survived it can shoot it's rear armor. (same logic allies to anything with low rear armor that before would be hard to get into pos to do. this also allows for easier sniping. at this point I am thinking of taking 1 heldrake with an autocannon.

That makes the Autocannon Helldrake a viable alternative to the flamer.

but the flamer is so powerful :( I WANT BOTH WHY CAN'T I BE NECRONS

Assuming you don't know the army you are playing i would say flamers unless you are running 3 heldrakes then maybe 2 and 1.

new faq - vector strikes ignore cover saves. vehicles hit on side Armour and if you hit a unit of infantry its random wound allocation. everything is the hull but at least you get that sexy 5+ deamon invul save pooping flames is pretty much the icing on the cake for these guys now with turret weapon range resolved from model base.

I think the FAQ for the Helldrake made it so much better. It is an expensive model with low BS and only one weapon. but wow, vector striking no Jink, 360 turret (made sense with the long neck and dragon body), wow this model already got better. I am intrigued to try the autocannon now, I had only been running the baleflamers thus far and they have done really well for me.

Is it just the flames that are 360' or do the cannons get it too?

Why don't you just read the FAQ?