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Hi Dakka,

I am a little confused as to how IA works with codexes in regular 40k...

So there are 10 IA books, 2 IA apocalypse books and then the aeronautical book. What I would like to suss out, is which of these IA books is the current one ie has superseded all the others for playing in a 40k game under 3000 points.

Also, the apocalypse books mention which units can be used in 40k and which cannot. Does that mean that those units allowed in 40k should be considered part of your armies normal codex, or those units, although legal, because they are from the IA book can only be used with your opponents permission?

Cheers

IA books are as legal as codexes. As a courtesy you should let people know, as people seem to think FW == OP

The most current books are IA Apoc 2nd edition, Aeronautica, and IA Vol 1 2nd edition.

There are multiple IA books that are current at the moment. Its not just one. I'm pretty sure everything from Imperial Armor 8 or 9 onward is ok to use and has the 40k approved stamp on it. I think Imperial Armour Apoc 2nd Edition does not supersede Imperial Armour Apoc II.

Edited: My bad, I forgot to put in the word Apoc..

IA 2nd edition or IA2? The first does exist

IA Volume 1 2nd edition is the NEWEST book out. Next back was aeronautica. Those two will have 99% of the up to date rules you need.

Worsrt case - have a chat with them on the phone, say what youwant rules for

A few things.

The books titled "Imperial Armour" and "Imperial Armour II" should probably not be used. They aren't even sold by FW anymore.

The "current" IA books are titled Imperial Armour Volume X; where X is a number between 1 and 11. Note that IA1 actually has 2 editions; IA1 2nd was released a month or two ago.

Although they have been printing books for awhile, FW has done a pretty good job of producing FAQs to cover the changes since 6th edition came out. See http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Downloads.html

Note that the FW faqs aren't laid out by book, but rather by subject. In other words, the faqs cover many different books at the same time.

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That said, there is no "current one" as each of the books cover a different situation / army. For example, the Badab War books (IA9/10) are about the various SM units that played a role in Huron's break from the Imperium. So, if you wanted to run an Astral Claws chapter with Huron (prior to going over to chaos), then you need IA9.

The FW books are best thought of as campaigns which include the history and unit details that fought in them, with the ability to reuse those same units in other 40k games. Personally, I loved IA9/10 and will certainly acquire IA12 if it's ever actually released.

While were on the topic of IA and FW does anybody know where I can find some necron formations like the monolith one besides Apoc 2 because I cant find the monolith formation anywhere in apoc 2

I *think*, but may be wrong, that the monolith phalanx formation was in the GW Apoc book, not the FW one.

Ya I just found it thank you it was in the gw apoc not fw apoc 2nd ed


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Does anybody know where I can fond the megalith formation thing ive seen it used in a couple apoc games and am curious about it

What is a megalith?

Thanks for the clarification also guys, Ill try and follow the latest editions. Though I would love to use the rules in IA 1 lol I think my opponents would hate me eg 96 inch vanquisher cannon rolling 2D6 + 8 for strength haha

Not sure its changed much in IA volume 1 2nd edition.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
IA books are as legal as codexes.

Just a word of warning: Most TO's don't share this opinion and tournaments that allow FW units are very rare.

Just to help with older books (the ones without stamps) formations and units with structure points are for apoc games only. Everything else should be ok for 40k.

Luide wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
IA books are as legal as codexes.

Just a word of warning: Most TO's don't share this opinion and tournaments that allow FW units are very rare.

It actuallly isnt opinion any longer, but fact. Unfortunately a lot of TOs are hidebound by "codex only", although the number of WD etc units (or armies) out there is slowly changing minds.

As for very rare? Definitely much less so. I am going to 3 tournaments in the next 3 months, all of which allow FW, and 1 is ranked.

No, it certainly isn't fact. Until I can actually take my FW stuff to one of the tournaments GW runs at Warhammer World where I go for events, GWs official stance will remain "with consent of the TO", regardless of what FW say to the contrary. That said, it should be given a due hearing by any TO certainly.

Eyjio wrote:
No, it certainly isn't fact. Until I can actually take my FW stuff to one of the tournaments GW runs at Warhammer World where I go for events, GWs official stance will remain "with consent of the TO", regardless of what FW say to the contrary. That said, it should be given a due hearing by any TO certainly.

Which is the same as ANY TO, ever. They can ban Orks if they wish - it doesnt make them unofficial, or opponents consent, or antyhing

FW IS GW, and they have stated their units are as official as those printed in a codex. TO's as ever can change their mind

IF you think about it for a few minutes you should get a good idea of why GW run tournaments at WHW dont allow FW, and that is from a business perspective. Just think about it rather than leaping to "its because FW isnt official!!" as that is NOT the reason

On the grounds WW is the only place where you can buy FW normally from a store and not over mail order, I'm struggling to see why they would halt revenue for it from a business perspective. Please enlighten me.

Also, FW is formally a subsection now and not representative of GW, in the same way fanta isn't coke despite being "the same company".

It seems that the ban on FW at WHW is no longer in place; check out this event with particular reference to where the armies may be chosen from.

Granted it's not a tournament as opposed to a campaign event but still...

 A GumyBear wrote:
Ya I just found it thank you it was in the gw apoc not fw apoc 2nd ed


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Does anybody know where I can fond the megalith formation thing ive seen it used in a couple apoc games and am curious about it

Check out the Bolter and Chainsword's Apocalypse Index

It lists the name of all of the apocalypse data sheets for each faction as well as the book that has the current rules.

Eyjio wrote:
On the grounds WW is the only place where you can buy FW normally from a store and not over mail order, I'm struggling to see why they would halt revenue for it from a business perspective. Please enlighten me.

Also, FW is formally a subsection now and not representative of GW, in the same way fanta isn't coke despite being "the same company".

Formally a subsection? Nope, they are part of Citadel Miniatures, and can make claims on the 40k IP. Try looking in the front of the recent IA books. They ARE official.

For WHW it is a simple case of they extend it from the stores, which also have a bias against FW due to the age range involved (12 / 12+). They want to keep the tournaments as core ruleset only, as that allows them to easily advertise and support them in store. EVerything with GW comes back to their huge retail drag.

Besides, if you want to argue that one is a sub division of the other and cannot make claims, you do realise Events is not affiliated with the studio, and run separately from it?

FW stuff IS as official as a codex, however due to unfamiliarity it is good **manners** to talk about use of FW. Similar in tournaments there is an unfamiliarity fear - hence why most tournaments have a sunset window for new codexes to be included, despite the codex being 100% official.

They've also stated the following. This is from the foreword of Imperial Armour Apocalypse by Warwick Kinrade:

As far as we are concerned Codexes and the rulebook are official, everything else is up to the players to use and ignore at will. Want to play on a ruined city board using the City of Death rules variant? Fine. Want to play on a ruined city board without using the rules variants, just using the rules as published in the 40K rulebook? Also fine. The only thing that matters is that both players know this before they start, and both players agree that's the way they want to play the game. So is City of Death official? You can't use it in a tournament! The Imperial Armour rules are just the same...

Would that be the by now quite old IA: Apocalypse? Or is that IA Apoc 2nd edition?

For 43 pages of Forge World in normal games, see my signature.

Nothing has been said in this thread that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseam...

 kronk wrote:
For 43 pages of Forge World in normal games, see my signature.

Nothing has been said in this thread that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseam...

Indeed.

We don't need to hash this out again.