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Had a thought, looking at the GK codex. Would be cool to do a parallel chaos-themed anti-Paladin army. Not necessarily made to counter Draigowing, rather, the Chaos version of it. Unfortunately, Chaos doesn't have a unit comparable to the Paladin. Mutilators maybe. But, I decided to write up a list that is similar, using Terminators and Mutilaitors.

Here's my question; in the long run, will my terminators be more survivable in CC with;
-MoN, with Fear via the Icon(extra toughness for weathering attacks, as well as mitigating incoming melee attacks with Fear)
-MoS, with FnP via the Icon(extra initiative could remove many threats, especially other MEQ, before they get the chance to strike blows)

Contrasting faster hitting and FnP with an extra toughness, basically.

TLDR: Nurgle Termies or Slaanesh mor survivable, in the long run?

It's really a question of what's shooting/stabbing at you. MoN Termies can get added survivability against low and mid strength attacks for (relatively) cheap, while getting FNP for Slaanesh termies can be a bit pricey, but is mathematically better against high strength shooting, especially now that only S8+ attacks will ignore FNP

In specific against Draigowing I don't think any of this works.

Fear won't matter against Draigowing since it's immune. Nor will FNP since they all have force weapons.

T5 won't be so valuable against a unit that will wield S6 or S10 weapons after hammerhanding twice.

Nor will Init 5 matter since most Paladins will strike at I6 or I1.

I think your best bet is MoK. With lots of poweraxes/powerfists it is basically looking to take Draigowing down with mass attacks. The best defense is a good offense. MoT might be decent too.

Kain: Thanks for the input! The thing with Nurgle is his icon also grants Fear. Farcry from amazing, but I think it could definitely be a swinger in lower ld opponents, in terms of survivability.

Next to that, however, it might just me worth more to forget the Icon and just take the Mark.

Jadedknight: Thanks for the reply, but reread my post. I'm not fighting AGAINST Draigowing, I'm trying to make a comparable-type Chaos army.

For a comparable unit to the paladins I'd go with mutilators with MoN joined by abaddon, that would probably the closest you could get to a paladin unit, however the big difference here is that the mutilators can't be troops and draigowing paladins are, also you are limited to 3 mutilators, maybe you could additionally add a termie lord in the mix for more multiwound sv2+ modes in a unit.

So you end with 5 2+ wounds models, armed with both AP3s and AP2.

For a counter unit to paladins, any termie would work, since paladins are AP3, slaaneshy termie aren't that good due to the reduced I from the power fist & power axe

Ah well in that case, the key to Draigowing is having it led by a massive Tank and FNP. Abaddon is your guy for this. So I think the Icon of Excess is more important than T5

You need Abaddon. He is unbeatable in combat and he gets stronger every time he kills a champion due to Chaos Boon.

 Lord Yayula wrote:
For a comparable unit to the paladins I'd go with mutilators with MoN joined by abaddon, that would probably the closest you could get to a paladin unit, however the big difference here is that the mutilators can't be troops and draigowing paladins are, also you are limited to 3 mutilators, maybe you could additionally add a termie lord in the mix for more multiwound sv2+ modes in a unit.

So you end with 5 2+ wounds models, armed with both AP3s and AP2.

For a counter unit to paladins, any termie would work, since paladins are AP3, slaaneshy termie aren't that good due to the reduced I from the power fist & power axe

MoT is better for mutilators against paladins since they will most likely be carrying a banner to auto activate their force weapons, then draigo can use hammerhand to bring them up to S5. In that case a 4++ is way better than T5.

If you want something to just kill off Paladins, use a winged Nurgle Daemon Prince with the Black Mace. Smashy smashy instant death S10/AP2 attacks at I8! Nothing so reminds me of that first scene in the Fellowship of the Ring as that. Just Swoop him up in cover before assaulting and get a Dirge Caster within 6" of them first.

If you want an anti-Paladin Chaos unit, that is similar but Chaos, I agree that the Icon of Excess could be good for Chaos Terminators, though very expensive, and frankly for the 50 points for Marks and Icon you'd be better of with more models/weapon upgrades.

Tzeentchy Mutilators would be a better choice. Those Force Halberds will strike first even against the Slaaneshis. Plus the better invul will help them live against Drago himself much better, in theory, and he'll be S10 with the Titan sword, still instakilling Nurgle Mutilators. So if a couple survive thanks to Tzeentch's gift, then you have S6 AP2 axes or power fists....whatever they get (I forget all the options). Having Abaddon in there will give you plenty of S5/AP2 attacks at I6, unless the GKs have those psyk-out grenades. Or do those only make models with Daemon rule strike at I1? If that's the case Abaddon would still strike at I6.

This Saturday I was planning on running Abaddon with Mutilators and a Termie Sorcerer or Psyker Lord in a Land Raider. We'll find out how that most expensive lunchbox of terror works out!

Mutilatiors are a poor choice since force weapons...

The closest list I can think of would be abaddon, terminators and chosen.
This does mean its more of a paladin/purifier force but since terminators can never score its about as good as it gets when chaos go for "holy cheese".

If you can get the charge, a khorne prince with axe of blind fury can slaughter an entire paladin squad single-handdly, but only if you get the charge cause of the grenades...