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Hello, recently decided to take a jump into FOW and wanted to have a Finnish army! What exactly should I need, though any general advice is greatly appreciated thanks ahead for the help
   
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I play Finns as my main army.
Their mid war lists are in the Eastern Front book while their late war lists are in Grey wolf.

What sort of list do you want to run?

Finnish infantry are some of the best in the game while their armoured forces are either small in number and good quality or numberous but crap.

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-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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I planned on having an infantry company, with possibly assault gun or tank support. Everything is still pretty new to me so which is better mid or late war? I can go either way
   
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If you go infantry most of your army will be the same in mid and late war, the only thing that you will need to extra will be some panzerfaust teams.

This is my late war list;

HQ 2 Panzershreks

Full Jalkavaki platoon, panzerfaust

Full Jalkavaki platoon, panzerfaust

1 section MG platoon (combat attached out)

Full Mortar Platoon

Full Heavy Mortar Platoon

Full tank hunter platoon, all with panzerfausts

Full Pioneeri Platoon, panzerfaust, supply truck

Artillery battery (122mm howitzers)

4 T26

My mid war list is very similar, the only real changes are that my MW list has some light anti tank guns and the panzerfaust teams are close defense teams (basically pioneers without the special rules).

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RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Thanks, so is there a certain advantage between the regular infantry (sorry hard to spell off top of my head) and the light infantry?
   
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Jalkavaki (standard infantry) are very solid infantry that do best defending while Jaakari are more offensive.

They are both quite similar though, its only their supoprt options that are noticably different. Plus the jaakari can make a really nasty, but expensive, assault platoon

RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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I see, so save the jaakari for counter attacks, what support seems to fit best with them? Or is all infantry the way to go?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ah! For some reason your list did not show intil now but I see the general shaping of the infantry company! Very helpful

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I was looking for an old post with my list in it

There are 2 main schools of thought for Finns. Firstly their are lists that are infantry heavy like mine which uses its infantry platoons as the main power in the army then there are lists which rely on armour to do a lot of the heavy lifting (KV-1s in mid war, T34/85s in late).

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RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Well thank you very much for the help one last question sorry! Do the source books tell you the proper paint colors for the Finns?
   
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http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=331

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=110&art_id=332&kb_cat_id=27

Basically grey....

RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Haha ah I see, good to know. Makes things easier.
   
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Palindrome wrote:
I play Finns as my main army.
Their mid war lists are in the Eastern Front book while their late war lists are in Grey wolf.

What sort of list do you want to run?

Finnish infantry are some of the best in the game while their armoured forces are either small in number and good quality or numberous but crap.


Isnt there an early war finnish list? I mean for Tavisolta (The Winter War).

If anyone hasnt read up on the Winter war incidentally, I highly reccomend you do. It was a quite astounding encounter.
   
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Vanders wrote:

Isnt there an early war finnish list? I mean for Tavisolta (The Winter War).
If anyone hasnt read up on the Winter war incidentally, I highly reccomend you do. It was a quite astounding encounter.


Not as far as I know, they will probably be in the Barbarossa book though.

The Winter war was probably the most impressive feat of arms in the whole war.

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RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog 
   
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Palindrome wrote:

The Winter war was probably the most impressive feat of arms in the whole war.


All the more so because the Finns were so incredibly short of equipment and ammunition.
   
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Ah, sorry to be late in this topic.

About the colours: Forget the tank colours proposed by battlefront - theyr not totally wrong, but they are quite, well, "something like that`ish". Of course there aint many surviving examples of that three tone camo, as it was pushed out from service soon after the world war 2, thou it did survive in some ATG and artillery pieces as the main re-paint did happen in the armored brigade (to be noted, it wasnt ordered to be applied in any other vehicle/gun than armored vehicles, but again, it happened), so in some AT and artillery units the camouflaged gunpieces did serve in the very end of their service career. Of course, there is no absolute "correct" colours, but the battlefronts colour scheme is way too bright. I would suggest you to use dedicated lifecolours paint set, its available from most well-equipped scale model (and lifecolour) retailers and isnt very expensive, around 20€uros (around 25$ and 16£) and the colours are quite right.

About the winter war: Im not sure where the rumours started, but my friends friend (or acctually his mothers cousins dog) told me that EW is on the pipeline to come, but rumour is a rumour, wouldnt count on it. Then it would be awesome, not due to the winter war part, but due to the EW part of german invasion into the soviet union - I want T-35s and BT-5s! But the winter war could come interesting if the BF would issue the superheavy "test beds" seen in the war, like SMK, T-100 and SU-100Y...

But back in the subject - the "infantry colours", in the other hand, are acctually quite okay. But again, I would suggest you to check also the references and apply some colour modification as there is no single "right" tone issued. Some of M36 Issue Uniforms would be brand new, some of the would date back to the 1937, and depending about the era of choice you play, they might be in their "shirt sleeves" rather than wielding the acctual service jacket. The point is, that the jacket, trousers and field cap were all made from same, thick, wool material called "sarka". It was dark grey, a bit blueish - the finnish surpluss company Varusteleka subcontracted repro M36 suits few years back, and they still rent a few of these costumes. These are rather good reproductions, with a large research behind them, and the colour is as close to orginal as you can be, so here is the link to the pictures. But the field shirt woren underneath the field dress was lighter, and often during the summer heats, troops did fight without their jackets, in thei shirt sleeves. The acctuall model of the shirt is quite jacketish (in that scale, nobody can see the difference..), but the material used was notably thinner and lighter - and also notable lighter in shade than the dark field dress.

Mostly the belt and webbing were made from dark brown leather, but the colour of "bread bag" was more variable, ranging from light brown to dark green. The "kraut helmet" was greenish in colour, and the battlefronts own suggestion to be used in them is okay. After WW2, some these received grey re-paint, so dont get confused if you find such examples - also during the war, some troops did repaint their helmets with more variable colours, emblems or camos, depending about their XOs opnion.

And last but not the least - do not paint epaulettes in some other than grey uniform colour! Ive seen few examples where these have been painted in some other colour (fex. red), and its not correct at all. If you would wield "panssari komppania" list or visible tank crews at all, you can paint their headress blackish grey, as panssaridivisioonas (armoured division) tank crews did dye their sidecaps black in some cases. Also the infantry (jääkäri) units fighting under the armoured divisions command did wore "arrows of lagus"-patch in their sleeve and in side of a service cap, but thats such a small detail that it propably wouldnt be wise.

Hope these helped.

Edit: Still one more link to add, to finnish scale model hobby community:
http://www.pienoismallit.net/galleria/malli_9755/
Finnish T-34/76 number Ps.231-3 presented in the outfit of summer 1944, with quite correct colours. Tactical number 323, 3rd companys 2nd platoons 3rd tank.

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I suspected that the Battlefront scheme may be quite bright (plus it doesn't look right on the tabletop) so I made them darker for my own vehicles. It seems that I managed to use the right shades by accident

RegalPhantom wrote:
If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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