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Hi. Long story, short: I have a friend making a fluffy Salamanders list. He wants to adhere to the Salamander fluff precisely, and seems to be under the impression that, from something he read, Salamanders do not use Drop Pods.

I am hoping to get some source-based information on the contrary, in hopes of helping his list become more TAC while still adhering to fluff.

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 CaptainGrey wrote:
Hi. Long story, short: I have a friend making a fluffy Salamanders list. He wants to adhere to the Salamander fluff precisely, and seems to be under the impression that, from something he read, Salamanders do not use Drop Pods.

I am hoping to get some source-based information on the contrary, in hopes of helping his list become more TAC while still adhering to fluff.


Of course they do, they have no reason not to. Its an excellent method to get down to the planet. Especially if the planet has a lot of AA that could destroy Thunderhawks.


How often is another story, but they would use to make planetfall. After that its a whole nother story

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Salamanders, even more than some, use the right tool for the job. If drop pods are what works for the mission they will use them.

I honestly can't think of a single piece of fluff naming a chapter that strictly does not use drop pods. White Scars don't use Devastators, Space Wolves refuse to teleport, but never have I seen it written to not use drop pods.
   
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Basically all Astartes use Drop Pods. Whilst some may use them more than others, or some chapters have a specialisation (e.g. Space Wolves: close quarters, Blood Angels: close combat, Salamanders: pyrotechnics), its a universal Space Marine tactic, so it is of course perfectly fluffy for Sallies to use them.

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But are there any specific fluff instances of them employing drop-pod descent?

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Check the Salamanders novels, I can't recall what happens in them myself (didn't care for the books), but I'm sure its in there.

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The only Astartes chapter that does not use drop pods are Grey Knights. So tell your buddy to go to town on drop pods!


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 CaptainGrey wrote:
But are there any specific fluff instances of them employing drop-pod descent?


Yeah, it's back in the Horus Heresy Days, but the Salamanders did a massive drop pod assault on Istvaan V...right before they got annihilated by traitors. It's from the novel Fulgrim, but you can look it up on google by typing in "Drop site massacre".

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 CaptainGrey wrote:
Hi. Long story, short: I have a friend making a fluffy Salamanders list. He wants to adhere to the Salamander fluff precisely, and seems to be under the impression that, from something he read, Salamanders do not use Drop Pods.

I am hoping to get some source-based information on the contrary, in hopes of helping his list become more TAC while still adhering to fluff.


The fluff he is thinking of relates to the fact that their home planet suffers from major gravitation variance the Salamanders and so do not do much training in the use of bikes and jumppacks. This may effect their use of drop pods. But the Salamanders will still use techniques when needed, even if they favour different techniques.

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 BluntmanDC wrote:
 CaptainGrey wrote:
Hi. Long story, short: I have a friend making a fluffy Salamanders list. He wants to adhere to the Salamander fluff precisely, and seems to be under the impression that, from something he read, Salamanders do not use Drop Pods.

I am hoping to get some source-based information on the contrary, in hopes of helping his list become more TAC while still adhering to fluff.


The fluff he is thinking of relates to the fact that their home planet suffers from major gravitation variance the Salamanders and so do not do much training in the use of bikes and jumppacks. This may effect their use of drop pods. But the Salamanders will still use techniques when needed, even if they favour different techniques.


Codex Armageddon had restrictions built into the list related to the gravity variations (0-1 on bikes, land speeders, and assault marines), but I remember no such restrictions on drop pods. It has been a while since I've read it though so I may be off base.

That being said, I'm pretty sure Salamanders have used Drop Pods more recently in fluff too....places I'd check are the Black Templar novel set on Armageddon, the 3 Salamanders novels, and it may be referenced in the Dark Eldar codex when they invaded the Dark Eldar city.
   
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nobody wrote:


Codex Armageddon had restrictions built into the list related to the gravity variations (0-1 on bikes, land speeders, and assault marines), but I remember no such restrictions on drop pods. It has been a while since I've read it though so I may be off base.

That being said, I'm pretty sure Salamanders have used Drop Pods more recently in fluff too....places I'd check are the Black Templar novel set on Armageddon, the 3 Salamanders novels, and it may be referenced in the Dark Eldar codex when they invaded the Dark Eldar city.



It's very true, the Salamanders that help defend Helsreach arrive by drop pods
   
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 BluntmanDC wrote:
 CaptainGrey wrote:
Hi. Long story, short: I have a friend making a fluffy Salamanders list. He wants to adhere to the Salamander fluff precisely, and seems to be under the impression that, from something he read, Salamanders do not use Drop Pods.

I am hoping to get some source-based information on the contrary, in hopes of helping his list become more TAC while still adhering to fluff.


The fluff he is thinking of relates to the fact that their home planet suffers from major gravitation variance the Salamanders and so do not do much training in the use of bikes and jumppacks. This may effect their use of drop pods. But the Salamanders will still use techniques when needed, even if they favour different techniques.


The Salamanders used drop pods in Helsreach by Aaron Dembski-Bowden.

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However, Chapter Master Tu'Shan of the Salamanders Chapter, whilst battling along the river Hemlock on the planet, heard of Helsreach's plight and of the Black Templars' valour in defending the populace of the city. He demanded that the risk be taken and that reinforcements be sent down into the hive, and his Astartes carried out his will. During one of the aforementioned naval attacks, a single Strike Cruiser of the Chapter requested from Helsreach command the cessation of anti-air fire in the docks district and ran the gauntlet of enemy fire to release Drop Pods and Thunderhawk gunships from a safe distance.

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 CaptainGrey wrote:
But are there any specific fluff instances of them employing drop-pod descent?

There's like seven total pages of Salamanders fluff outside the novels, lol.

I wouldn't waste time using a lack of evidence, as evidence.

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