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2013/01/29 15:02:38
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Does he confer this to the dedicated transport he is embarked in? I dont have the codex in front of me right now to look at what is stated.
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2013/01/29 15:07:32
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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No, as it only applies to Azrael and his unit. Embarking him on transport doesn't make him part of the transports unit IIRC
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2013/01/29 15:08:59
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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That is correct, azrael would embark a transport, he does not "join" it.
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2013/01/29 15:10:11
Subject: Re:Azreal and his 4++
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Cool, thanks all.
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2013/01/29 15:53:56
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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There are some people out there who do believe you are "joined" to a vehicle when you embark it, and thus think you are required to fire at the same targets, count towards how many weapons it can fire, etc - this isnt true.
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2013/01/30 15:03:25
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Dakka Veteran
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nosferatu1001 wrote:There are some people out there who do believe you are "joined" to a vehicle when you embark it.
Those people, would be derpy.
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2013/01/30 20:28:58
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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nosferatu1001 wrote:There are some people out there who do believe you are "joined" to a vehicle when you embark it, and thus think you are required to fire at the same targets, count towards how many weapons it can fire, etc - this isnt true.
No you are with the transport. You are not joined to it. If you were "joined" then the transport would have to embark upon itself, have to shoot at the same target, etc. 
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/01/31 21:06:33
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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My question is if his 4++ rule would apply to an allied unit he has joined (brothers in arms allies obviously). Because his rule says that the 4++ is conferred to the unit he is with. It does not specify that the unit must be from codex: dark angels. For example, can I drop down my BA stern guard in a drop pod with Azreal and benefit from his 4++?
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Inquisitorial lesson #298: Why to Hate Choas Gods, cont'd-
With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into
scrotums, complete with appropriate nerve endings. Then Khorne would
force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new
scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to
Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally
end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah. |
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2013/01/31 21:16:25
Subject: Re:Azreal and his 4++
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Fighter Pilot
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Or, more importantly, can the 4++ be applied to 50 Guardsmen with Power Axes and Commisars?
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2013/01/31 21:20:22
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 Phiasco II wrote:My question is if his 4++ rule would apply to an allied unit he has joined (brothers in arms allies obviously). Because his rule says that the 4++ is conferred to the unit he is with. It does not specify that the unit must be from codex: dark angels. For example, can I drop down my BA stern guard in a drop pod with Azreal and benefit from his 4++?
Any unit he joins benefits. however, your example is debatable. One side says BB cannot embark into allied transports (so no). The other side says that an IC is a member of the unit he joins for all rules purposes (which in your situation would make him a BA and allow him to come in the Sternguards Drop Pod, so yes). Whether or not an IC can embark into an allied transport while joined to the respective unit is debatable and is a topic for another thread.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/01/31 21:25:47
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Okay, throw th transport out of the equation. Would his 4++ apply to an allied unit he has joined?
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The Emperor Protects
_______________________________________
Inquisitorial lesson #298: Why to Hate Choas Gods, cont'd-
With Chaos, Tzeench would probably turn your hands, feet and face into
scrotums, complete with appropriate nerve endings. Then Khorne would
force you and all your friends to fight to the death using your new
scrotal appendages. Once they get tired of that, you get tossed to
Slaanesh who <censored by order of the Inquisition>, until you finally
end up in Nurgle's clutches and he uses you as a loofah. |
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2013/01/31 21:27:17
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Yes, it specifies Azrael and his unit. So any nit he joins would benefit. If they wanted it to be only Dark Angels units it would specify.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/01/31 23:22:05
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Happyjew wrote:nosferatu1001 wrote:There are some people out there who do believe you are "joined" to a vehicle when you embark it, and thus think you are required to fire at the same targets, count towards how many weapons it can fire, etc - this isnt true.
No you are with the transport. You are not joined to it. If you were "joined" then the transport would have to embark upon itself, have to shoot at the same target, etc.
Which I'm aware of, hence "some people" being mentioned,me not being one of them 
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2013/02/01 17:41:12
Subject: Azreal and his 4++
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Is it Battle Brothers only that an IC can join the squad of? Sorry no book, and curious...
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