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If I ally in Dark Angels to my Imperial Guard can I take a DA techmarine as my mandatory HQ choice? The techmarine says it can be taken if you have another HQ in the army(in this case my IG warlord)...

It appears so.

But the Techmarine doesn't take up an HQ slot, so you still need another Dark Angel HQ to fill your secondary detachment FoC. Which would allow you to take the Techmarine anyway.

No, you may ONLY include 1 techmarine for each other HQ choice.

You cannot take a Techmarine without first taking another different HQ choice.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
No, you may ONLY include 1 techmarine for each other HQ choice.

You cannot take a Techmarine without first taking another different HQ choice.

He is asking if his primary detachment hq ticks this box.

It doesn't tick any box, because DA Techmarines don't fill a slot.

It seems you can take a Techmarine ally without another DA HQ codex-wise, that would be legal
However, you wouldn't then have the mandatory HQ slot filled in your ally detachment, thus being illegal BRB-wise
Thus you still need a regular DA HQ to go along your techmarine

Thanks for the help, I've decided to take a libby anyway since they are more useful, and I forgot about that section of the BRB.

Nivek5150 wrote:
It doesn't tick any box, because DA Techmarines don't fill a slot.

TanKoL wrote:
It seems you can take a Techmarine ally without another DA HQ codex-wise, that would be legal
However, you wouldn't then have the mandatory HQ slot filled in your ally detachment, thus being illegal BRB-wise
Thus you still need a regular DA HQ to go along your techmarine

That doesn't matter, as long as it is an HQ choice then it can be taken as the compulsory choice.

 Kevin949 wrote:

Nivek5150 wrote:
It doesn't tick any box, because DA Techmarines don't fill a slot.

TanKoL wrote:
It seems you can take a Techmarine ally without another DA HQ codex-wise, that would be legal
However, you wouldn't then have the mandatory HQ slot filled in your ally detachment, thus being illegal BRB-wise
Thus you still need a regular DA HQ to go along your techmarine

That doesn't matter, as long as it is an HQ choice then it can be taken as the compulsory choice.

Care to explain your reasoning?

The Techmarine profile clearly states: "These selections do not use up a Force Organisation slot."

A DA techmarine does not fill any FOC slot and therefor cannot be taken as allied HQ.

Because, same as in 4th and 5th, you are not required to fill up the FOC slot, you are just required to *take* something that is an HQ choice

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Because, same as in 4th and 5th, you are not required to fill up the FOC slot, you are just required to *take* something that is an HQ choice

So what does "These selections do not use up a Force Organisation slot." mean then?

And please if you would be so kind as to reply in 40k terms I would appreciate it.

It means that they do not limit your ability to take other HQ choices that DO fill up the FOC

Prior to sixth edition, black templar were allowed to field only an emperors champion as their compulsory HQ choice, even though he did not take up an HQ slot from the force org chart. He was still an HQ choice for the army.

Obviously for BT that is no longer the case as the EC can't be a warlord and you can only take EC's with primary detachments so there is no way to have an EC without another HQ choice. The same holds true for necrons but for different reasons, in that you MUST have a specified HQ choice purchased prior to gaining HQ's that don't take up a slot (Examples - Overlords required for Royal Courts, Zahndrekh required for obyron to not take up an HQ slot).

Also remember, creating an army only says you're required to field an HQ choice, it has zero bearing on the actual force org chart which only tells you how MUCH of something you can field. They are wholly separate from one another but still tied to together.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
It means that they do not limit your ability to take other HQ choices that DO fill up the FOC

So I can also take a DW Command Squad, Ravenwing Command Squad and a regular command to go along with my Techmarine and a i might as well throw in a few servitors so long as my HQ in my primary has termie armour?

Since none of those units fill up an FOC.

I just want to make sure.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Because, same as in 4th and 5th, you are not required to fill up the FOC slot, you are just required to *take* something that is an HQ choice

The Imperial Guard FAQ for Techpriest Engineseers sets the precedent that they must fill the slot.

If you don't take a 65 point divination librarian you are just playing to lose so this whole discussion is moot.

This should persuade most people that taking a Techmarine alone for your secondary attachment is probably a bad idea anyway.

Q: Can models from an Allied Detachment that have the ability to
repair Hull Points or Immobilised/Weapon Destroyed results from
the Vehicle Damage Table use this ability on Allied vehicles? (p112)
A: No.