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Does the lance special rule make Necron vehicles armor 12 or does quantam shielding make them 13 still?


Quantam shielding= Until the vehicle suffers a penetrating hit, it counts all armour values on its front and side facings as being 2 points higher. Once the vehicle has suffered a penetrating hit, it uses its own armour value against subsequent hits.

This doesnt change the armor value of the vehicles... it counts them as higher.

Lance special rule= Weapons with the Lance special rule count vehicle armour values higher than 12 as 12.

Doesnt effect the vehicle as its AV is 11.

It makes them 12.

Lance weapons treat all AV higher than 12 as 12.

In 5th it was clarified that lance did in fact reduce it to 12. I see no reason they would change it.

Gravmyr wrote:
In 5th it was clarified that lance did in fact reduce it to 12. I see no reason they would change it.

Yea i looked for it and saw no faq this edition. Lance is USR that makes all vehicle armor values 12. Quantam shielding treats there armor value as +2. So it is two rules colliding with no faq clarifying for 6th.

Except that the AV12 is a set value which is applied after any other modifiers according to the standard order of operations in this edition.

jms40k wrote:
Except that the AV12 is a set value which is applied after any other modifiers according to the standard order of operations in this edition.

lol did you really just throw an SOP for warhammer at me? I dont see where this is stated can you give me a page for this?

 Tomb King wrote:

jms40k wrote:
Except that the AV12 is a set value which is applied after any other modifiers according to the standard order of operations in this edition.

lol did you really just throw an SOP for warhammer at me? I dont see where this is stated can you give me a page for this?

I don't have the DE codex handy, but I'm pretty sure it states that AV12 is the highest.

 whembly wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

jms40k wrote:
Except that the AV12 is a set value which is applied after any other modifiers according to the standard order of operations in this edition.

lol did you really just throw an SOP for warhammer at me? I dont see where this is stated can you give me a page for this?

I don't have the DE codex handy, but I'm pretty sure it states that AV12 is the highest.

Lance is only defined in the rulebook not the codex.

Actually it's page 2 of the BRB under Multiple Modifiers. 12 would be correct.

Gravmyr wrote:
Actually it's page 2 of the BRB under Multiple Modifiers. 12 would be correct.

That could be read to benefit either side.

Quantam shielding= Until the vehicle suffers a penetrating hit, it counts all armour values on its front and side facings as being 2 points higher. Once the vehicle has suffered a penetrating hit, it uses its own armour value against subsequent hits.

This doesnt change the armor value of the vehicles... it counts them as higher.

Lance special rule= Weapons with the Lance special rule count vehicle armour values higher than 12 as 12.

 Tomb King wrote:

Gravmyr wrote:
Actually it's page 2 of the BRB under Multiple Modifiers. 12 would be correct.

That could be read to benefit either side.

Quantam shielding= Until the vehicle suffers a penetrating hit, it counts all armour values on its front and side facings as being 2 points higher. Once the vehicle has suffered a penetrating hit, it uses its own armour value against subsequent hits.

This doesnt change the armor value of the vehicles... it counts them as higher.

Lance special rule= Weapons with the Lance special rule count vehicle armour values higher than 12 as 12.

Right, so QS is counts as X +2.
Lance is counts as 12.
Get rid of like components and you are left with X+2 vs 12. Per pg 2, set mod (12) overrides the +2 mod.

Yes, the lance works on quantum shielding.

General vs. specific, people.

Monster Rain wrote:Yes, the lance works on quantum shielding.

General vs. specific, people.

I'm not sure how you determined that one was more specific than the other.

That being said, I do still agree the Lance works on QS as a result of the argument put forward by HappyJew.

As above. Set OO for modifiers and set modifiers has cleared this one up with no ambiguity.

X+2 vs set modifier of 12. Set modifier applied last

Lance definitely works against QS. I don't undestand why the faq is missing though.

Because it isnt needed any more - multiple modifiers tells you the answer