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2013/02/01 06:35:14
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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so i was flipping through the WD dex and a thought occured to me
could Retributors get rending quads?
the exact quote is this
This Act of Faith is used in the Shooting phase. If successful, the unit's weapons gain Rending until the end of the phase.
now after reading the contex a bit deeper im thinking no, but i just wanted to be sure so have at it
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2013/02/01 08:09:34
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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A Quad is not the "unit's weapon" so it will not benefit.
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2013/02/01 15:18:16
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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By that argument you also can't use fast shot/crack shot with one but the general agreement is that you can(because YMDC has decided to ignore RAW in relation to quad guns)
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2013/02/01 15:24:45
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Executing Exarch
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Crack shot from the eldar codex
'The enemy may not make cover saves against shots from the exarch, and the exarch may re-roll any failed to wound rolls when shooting'
What RAW part stops the exarch using that on an aegis gun?
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 Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/02/01 15:26:51
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I guess it's only fast shot which states when firing his own weapon, and emplaned weapons specifically state they are not the models own weapon.
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2013/02/01 17:02:06
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Executing Exarch
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I've just checked my codex - it does say 'his' when referring to his ability on fast shot.
I'll just play it safe and stick a fire dragon exarch on it... 
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/02/01 17:12:36
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Proud Phantom Titan
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PredaKhaine wrote:I've just checked my codex - it does say 'his' when referring to his ability on fast shot.
I'll just play it safe and stick a fire dragon exarch on it...
tank hunter and crack shot ... you don't like flyers do you 
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2013/02/01 17:27:06
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Executing Exarch
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They love me 
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/02/01 17:27:45
Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/02/01 19:00:39
Subject: Re:Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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The rules for Gun Emplacements say that any rules the model has applies to the shots they make with the gun emplacement.
So I would say that they do get Rending on the Quad-gun.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2013/02/01 19:28:58
Subject: Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Except their rule specifies it only works on "Their" weapons. Is the Quadgun "their" weapon?
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2013/02/01 19:33:29
Subject: Re:Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I would say the specific rule for Gun Emplacements would make it their gun, as all special rules and abilities a model has transfer to the gun emplacement when they are firing it.
Acts of Faith would definitly qualify.
Of course the Rending would do nothing against Flyers as there arn't any AV13+ flyers(yet)
It would only come into play against ground vehicles of AV13+ and against things with 3+ or better saves.
Not a huge balance issue.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/02/01 19:35:02
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2013/02/01 19:34:14
Subject: Re:Does SoB get Rending Quad Guns?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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They are explicitly firing it 'instead' of their weapon, so probably not.
It seems quad-guns are a sticky issue around YMDC, but in general i'd suspect they don't count as being the owned or in the possession of the unit but do benefit from any of the units special rules that effect shooting unless the rule itself otherwise specifies such. (like it seems crack shot and the OPs sisters of battle effect seem to by virtue of applying only to the unit's weapons rather than the units shots.)
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