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In the last match I played my Chaos bikers got assaulted by a squad of Death Cult Assassins. My bikes had turbo-boosted the previous round so had a massive cover save. In real life one would never charge a bike squadron in full flight, even in terminator armour. We couldn´t find any rules speaking against charging something that is turbo-boosting, only that since I had turbo-boosted I wasn´t allowed to fire overwatch..
What do you guys make of it?

yup, you can get assaulted.

can't compare this game to real life, it will drive you crazy.

hehe, I know but a part of me wants some grip on reality when battling alien monsters with magical weapons:-P

you can fire overwatch, bikes are only unable to act for the "rest of the turn" when the rules use "turn" on it's own, that means a player turn.

So once your assault phase is over and you pass control over to your opponent, your bikes are no longer restricted by having turbo-boosted, and can once again perform any voluntary actions they might be able to perform during the opponents turn, such as overwatch.

I don't have any literature to hand but i'm inclined to agree with the above post. All a turbo-boost does is ends that unit's actions for the rest of your turn, you take your shooting and your assault phase and exchange them both for a turbo-boost move. That's it. If I then assault the unit after you've turbo-boosted I would fully expect it to fire at me via Overwatch.

Are you sure Luusomi? You say that this would never happen, even in Terminator armor. Can you not think of a single movie or television program where someone clotheslines someone else off of a bike? (Or yanks someone out of a moving car?)










If a turkey can do it, I think a Terminator can manage it.

Can you take your Jink saves in CC though?

[Edit] guess thats on basic vs advanced

Nem wrote:
Can you take your Jink saves in CC though?

[Edit] guess thats on basic vs advanced

No, no cover saves are allowed in CC

In real life one would never charge a bike squadron in full flight, even in terminator armour.

Made me giggle.

When I'm in my Terminator armour in real life, I charge anything, man!

Its cute that the OP thinks bikes would make tactical dreadnaught armor think twice about CC.

If I was wearing Tactical Dreadnaught Armour, I'd punch a planet in the face.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Are you sure Luusomi? You say that this would never happen, even in Terminator armor. Can you not think of a single movie or television program where someone clotheslines someone else off of a bike? (Or yanks someone out of a moving car?)










If a turkey can do it, I think a Terminator can manage it.

haha, oh yes! but I was talking more like real life;-).


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 Azrell wrote:
Its cute that the OP thinks bikes would make tactical dreadnaught armor think twice about CC.

not what I said. a terminator would never back out of a fight, unless he´s a ultra marine of course. what I meant was that with the kinetic energy of a CSM/SM bike moving at full speed, not even tactical dreadnought armour would keep you on your feet. it would definetly protect you but you´d be knocked back:-P

 Luusormi wrote:
My bikes had turbo-boosted the previous round so had a massive cover save.

I hope that your "massive" cover save was only a 5+, since the only cover save bikes have is conferred by the "Jink" USR.
Turbo-boosting does not improve your cover save.

Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Luusormi wrote:
My bikes had turbo-boosted the previous round so had a massive cover save.

I hope that your "massive" cover save was only a 5+, since the only cover save bikes have is conferred by the "Jink" USR.
Turbo-boosting does not improve your cover save.

Actually Turbo Boosting does improve your cover save. P.38 for more info.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Luusormi wrote:
My bikes had turbo-boosted the previous round so had a massive cover save.

I hope that your "massive" cover save was only a 5+, since the only cover save bikes have is conferred by the "Jink" USR.
Turbo-boosting does not improve your cover save.

Actually Turbo Boosting does improve your cover save. P.38 for more info.

Of course it is possible the Champ gained Shrouded from the Boon table. happened last game I played in. at that point they just wrecked everything...

 Happyjew wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Luusormi wrote:
My bikes had turbo-boosted the previous round so had a massive cover save.

I hope that your "massive" cover save was only a 5+, since the only cover save bikes have is conferred by the "Jink" USR.
Turbo-boosting does not improve your cover save.

Actually Turbo Boosting does improve your cover save. P.38 for more info.

Of course it is possible the Champ gained Shrouded from the Boon table. happened last game I played in. at that point they just wrecked everything...

True, or had a model with stealth in the unit as well as "Shrouded from the Boon table."

That would make a tough as nails unit with a 2+ cover save as long as they moved in their movement phase.

Also not to be forgotten although it doesn't apply to Chaos Bikers is that Skilled Rider increases the jink save by 1.

to my knowledge the only thing that is disallowed against a vehicle/unit that goes flat out is boarding planks. I only have ork codex so not 100% sure on this one, but i do know the BRB doesnt have anything about disallowing charges by how far something moved.

 Luusormi wrote:

not what I said. a terminator would never back out of a fight, unless he´s a ultra marine of course. what I meant was that with the kinetic energy of a CSM/SM bike moving at full speed, not even tactical dreadnought armour would keep you on your feet. it would definetly protect you but you´d be knocked back:-P

Realism!?! In 40k?

40k Realism when being rammed by a bike moving at full speed would be to punch the bike (or the ground in front of the bike) to send it flipping overhead, like it was a superhero movie.