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Hey there,

this has come up in our games a couple times. In the picture below, the Chaos marines push 3 past the ADL, the rest can't get over, but the unit as a whole decides to unload on the other Chaos behind the Foam mountain. How would we figure out cover saves? We have just been splitting the shots up and working them out differently however I'm not sure if thats correct. Is there a specific in the BRB to help us out?

Thanks

If even one firer does not have clear LOS to the target, the target receives a save. However, saves are based on a model to model basis. In your case, the unit receiving fire would benefit from a 4+ cover save because of your guys behind the ADL.

All your answers are on Pages 12-18.

Awesome, so is this where "Focus Fire" come into effect? I could just have the front 3 fire and the target would get no cover save?

TheSwarmLives wrote:
Awesome, so is this where "Focus Fire" come into effect? I could just have the front 3 fire and the target would get no cover save?

No, Focus fire is for shooting when some models have a worse cover save than others in the target unit.

In this situation you could just have the front three models shoot at the target unit.

we had this issue in my group a few days ago as a result from Nightfighting ranges.

Since it goes on a model-by-model basis, you would fire the ones that ignore the cover seperately, ideally last since theyre the furthest up and least likely to lose their wounds by out of range or whatever.
If it was a Unit basis, then he'd get a 4+ from everything. But its done by model, so this is not the case.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
we had this issue in my group a few days ago as a result from Nightfighting ranges.

Since it goes on a model-by-model basis, you would fire the ones that ignore the cover seperately, ideally last since theyre the furthest up and least likely to lose their wounds by out of range or whatever.
If it was a Unit basis, then he'd get a 4+ from everything. But its done by model, so this is not the case.

Um.. no. See Kevin's answer


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 DeathReaper wrote:

TheSwarmLives wrote:
Awesome, so is this where "Focus Fire" come into effect? I could just have the front 3 fire and the target would get no cover save?

No, Focus fire is for shooting when some models have a worse cover save than others in the target unit.

In this situation you could just have the front three models shoot at the target unit.

Pretty sure you can't do that. If the unit is shooting, then all the models shoot; not some of them.

No, you can elect to not fire some weapons. The only limitation the unit has when it fires is it must shoot at the same target (exception would be vehicles and machine spirit)

Re: the OP, if you choose to fire with the entire squad (and only those models in range and with LOS to an enemy model may fire - p13), then any wounds allocated would likely qualify for a cover save (based on your picture). A target model gets a cover save if it has 25% coverage from at least one firer.

"Which Models Can Fire", p13, gives you the option of only firing the models that have already jumped the ADL. Of course, if you choose for some models NOT to fire, they cannot then fire at anything else in that shooting phase.

clively wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

In this situation you could just have the front three models shoot at the target unit.

Pretty sure you can't do that. If the unit is shooting, then all the models shoot; not some of them.

Page 13 left column, Which Models Can Fire section, 1st graph 4th sentence tells us that you can choose not to fire with certain models if you so desire.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
we had this issue in my group a few days ago as a result from Nightfighting ranges.

Since it goes on a model-by-model basis, you would fire the ones that ignore the cover seperately, ideally last since theyre the furthest up and least likely to lose their wounds by out of range or whatever.
If it was a Unit basis, then he'd get a 4+ from everything. But its done by model, so this is not the case.

Actually with night fighting you determine the range from the closest firer to the closest defender to find out if they are receiving "stealth" or "Shrouded" effects, that then applies to the entire unit regardless to how far back they are. So if one guy is 23" away and everyone else is 25+" away, the unit only receives a +1 to their cover saves.