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LORDS
Slaughtermaster - 335pts
lvl4, Grut's Sikle

HEROES
Bruiser - 198pts
BSB, heavy armour, ironfist, Rune Maw

CORE
x6 Ogres - 222pts
full command, ironfists

x7 Ironguts - 331pts
full command

6x Ogres
standard

SPECIAL
x4 Mournfang cav - 360pts
ironfists, heavy armour, full command, dragonhide banner

RARE
Ironblaster - xxx

Ironblaster - xxx

1996 pts

I wanted to upgrade the second unit of ogres but didnt know what to take out help please. i may take off the heavy armour from the cav and the heavy armour from the bsb to get a full command and additional hand weps i want ironfists but i can't see how i would make the points

I'm assuming from the look of the list that both characters join the guts with 2 supporting ogre units?

If so:

Neither ogre unit needs a champ, and the mournfang champ is a waste as well. So thats 30 points.

Use those points on ironfists and a musician for the second unit.

I would also not reccoment the Grut's Sickle. You don't want your general to get killed on an unlucky roll.

Use the points and some from elsewhere to get your SM the Armor of Destiny, an Ironfist, and a magic weapon if points allow. makes him much more durable.

Thanks for the advice i appreaciate it ill make the changes. What do you guys think to having two relatively small units of bulls (6) compared to one big block the reason chose the small units is because i didn't have many and should i take anything out and add a thundertusk apparently always strikes last is amazing?

You need a dispel scroll on your SM. I went into my last game without one and greatly regretted it!

Also maybe consider a bruiser/firebelly with the hellheart if you come up against a magic heavy opponent.

Lastly, ironfists on every unit that can take them. A 6++ might not seem like much, but they will pay for themselves each time they save an ogre.

Usually i would take bigger units as they would be one of my main hard hitting units. but in this list they are performing a purpose. i'd try them as 6's, then try other options.

I also agree with rohan, a hellheart is a very strong item, at least a dispel scroll if not.

Although ASL is helpful to your army, it's certainly NOT worth dropping 7-8 ogres for IMHO.