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2013/02/10 21:18:39
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Guys... I can't find my bloody DE codex. 
I'm pretty sure the DE vehicle wargear that allows them to DS specifically prohibits embarked units from disembarking.
If I had the Duke in my Army, who allows the DE vehicle to DS, could I disembark after DS? (not purchasing the vehicle wargear).
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2013/02/10 21:36:57
Subject: Re:DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Think youre prohibited by the rulebook from disembarking...
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2013/02/10 22:02:16
Subject: Re:DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Nope, disembarking is the only movement allowed after deep striking. Retrofire Jets allow DS but disallow disembarkation. The Duke allows DS with no restriction on disembarkation.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/02/10 22:17:20
Subject: Re:DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ah, I was misremembering this FAQ:
Q: If a Flyer arrives via Deep Strike, can embarked passengers
disembark from it on the same turn it arrives? (p80-)
A: No.
And thinking it was about all vehicles.
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2013/02/10 22:18:00
Subject: Re:DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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 Happyjew wrote:
Nope, disembarking is the only movement allowed after deep striking.
Retrofire Jets allow DS but disallow disembarkation. The Duke allows DS with no restriction on disembarkation.
Interesting...
:plotting devious plans:
Thanks a bunch! 
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2013/02/11 05:19:46
Subject: Re:DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Doomed Slave
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keep in mind.... you still can't ASSAULT after deepstriking.
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2013/02/11 19:12:31
Subject: Re:DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Yeah, I knew that.. still pondering.
The idea here is that if I don't include Vect or the Baron, then I'd be going 2nd more often. Paper airplane armies need to go first.
So, I'd like the option that if I'm going second to DS so that I'd at least get one round of shooting.
The disembarking thing is so that I can shot or lob a granade after DS.
Still haven't found my codex. 
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2013/02/11 19:48:23
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Drop pod dark eldar... I wonder why it's not more popular.
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2013/02/11 20:09:38
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Because they can only reserve 50%, don't get half their army guaranteed on turn 1, and aren't safe from scattering onto models.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2013/02/11 20:12:07
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Dark Eldars are safer outside of the vehicles then in. Huh. I already have the barron. Perhaps I should convert the duke?
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2013/02/11 22:24:22
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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 DarknessEternal wrote:
Because they can only reserve 50%, don't get half their army guaranteed on turn 1, and aren't safe from scattering onto models.
Ally with an Autarch behind an ADL + quadgunz. 
By turn 2 and on... it's on 2+
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2013/02/11 23:26:04
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Fixture of Dakka
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 whembly wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:
Because they can only reserve 50%, don't get half their army guaranteed on turn 1, and aren't safe from scattering onto models.
Ally with an Autarch behind an ADL + quadgunz.
By turn 2 and on... it's on 2+
That doesn't solve the reserving 50% or being safe from scattering problems, which are the bigger issues.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2013/02/11 23:43:11
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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DarknessEternal wrote: whembly wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:
Because they can only reserve 50%, don't get half their army guaranteed on turn 1, and aren't safe from scattering onto models.
Ally with an Autarch behind an ADL + quadgunz.
By turn 2 and on... it's on 2+
That doesn't solve the reserving 50% or being safe from scattering problems, which are the bigger issues.
meh... I wouldn't want to DS all units.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the 50% rule is a handicap... *shrugs* I think it's worth a playtest.
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2013/02/12 00:53:35
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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[DCM]
Tilter at Windmills
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whembly wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:
Because they can only reserve 50%, don't get half their army guaranteed on turn 1, and aren't safe from scattering onto models.
Ally with an Autarch behind an ADL + quadgunz.
By turn 2 and on... it's on 2+
Bear in mind that Reserve modifiers don't apply across alliances, even for battle brothers. See page 8 of the main rulebook FAQ.
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2013/02/12 02:54:41
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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 Mannahnin wrote: whembly wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:
Because they can only reserve 50%, don't get half their army guaranteed on turn 1, and aren't safe from scattering onto models.
Ally with an Autarch behind an ADL + quadgunz.
By turn 2 and on... it's on 2+
Bear in mind that Reserve modifiers don't apply across alliances, even for battle brothers. See page 8 of the main rulebook FAQ.
Huh? You sure about that? Dayum, I've been playing that wrong....
Crap... couldn't check the FAQ as GW's website is in maintenance... off to find alternative sites...
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2013/02/12 02:56:46
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Tilter at Windmills
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Yeah, I went to copy/paste and it was down, so I had to double-check my printed copy. 
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.
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2013/02/12 03:42:05
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Mannahnin wrote:Yeah, I went to copy/paste and it was down, so I had to double-check my printed copy.
And this is why I save the FAQ's on my computer. So I don't have to worry about the site being down. And I play in a dead zone so no internet when I play.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/02/12 04:21:51
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Tilter at Windmills
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I bring a bag full of codices and all the FAQs (in hardcopy) when I game. I'm a bit of a luddite, I guess, compared to folks to bring them all on PDF on their tablet or phone, but I like the hardcopies.
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.
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2013/02/12 04:39:19
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Mannahnin wrote:I bring a bag full of codices and all the FAQs (in hardcopy) when I game. I'm a bit of a luddite, I guess, compared to folks to bring them all on PDF on their tablet or phone, but I like the hardcopies.
So... is that the same FAQ that would prohibit the Mad Dok from "cyborking" any allies?
So, no "army-wide" rule crosses between allies?
HappyJew, could you copy/paste that relevent FAQ ruling? If not, no biggie... I can wait till GW is back up.
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2013/02/12 04:59:07
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Tilter at Windmills
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The Reserve thing has its own ruling.
I think Mad Dok and cyborking allies hasn't been officially fixed yet. It and Leaders of the Pack (and maybe Grand Strategy) are then only ones I can think of which haven't been amended or errata'd yet but appear to be errors/oversights, at least that I can think of.
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.
Maelstrom's Edge! |
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2013/02/12 11:14:20
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Q: Do modifiers that apply to such things as Reserve rolls, apply to
units from an allied detachment? (p124)
A: No.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/02/12 20:46:09
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Happyjew wrote:Q: Do modifiers that apply to such things as Reserve rolls, apply to
units from an allied detachment? (p124)
A: No.
Thanks mang!
Bummer... oh well, it ain't like I was planning on DS that many models. I was thinking of one or two models depending on the circumstances (2 Tantalus... 1 Tantalus + 1 Venom... who knows...)
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2013/02/13 05:52:59
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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If you're making Reserves a serious part of your plan, an Aegis with Comm Relay is darn good for only 70pts.
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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.
Maelstrom's Edge! |
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2013/02/13 05:57:45
Subject: DS Dark Eldar vehicles in 6th.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Mannahnin wrote:If you're making Reserves a serious part of your plan, an Aegis with Comm Relay is darn good for only 70pts.
Hell yeah...that's part of the plan!
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