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Astartes vary is size - some big, some small, in the BL novels and other fluff.

I don't think any one Chapter has especially large fellows in its ranks...............

What page does it say Grimaldus is 12ft tall ? Had a quick glance through and could not see it?

Seems very tall?

 Lynata wrote:
I believe the changes wrought upon a human body undergoing the Rites of Initiation into the Adeptus Astartes are probably much, much stronger than any genetical differences between the native populations of the various recruitment worlds, barring the most extreme mutations. Accordingly, the difference between a Space Marine from Fenris to a Space Marine from Macragge will be less obvious than between the locals of these two worlds.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:approx 10ft

kronk wrote:]Chaplain Grimaldus 12' tall [...] Black Templars 11 feet tall [...] Space Wolves and World Eaters only 8'

WarOne wrote:some rose in excess of 13 feet before the Horus Heresy

lolwat

Ridiculous. Has any of these authors ever actually read a GW Codex? Someone needs to tell Jes Goodwin so that he can have a laugh again.

To be fair we need to check the sources as I don't recall these measurements when I read the novels and Kronk did add he was unsure of his source for the Grimaldus quote....

 Lynata wrote:
Mr. Morden: True. If there's one thing I should have learned by now, it is that the actual source might say something different than claimed. I guess in this case I'm more willing to believe it because it's a larger number of people saying so (not just here but the 'net as a whole) and it kind of fits into my prejudice regarding non-GW sources and Marine hyperbole. Or hyperbole in general - the SM are just the ones "profiting" from it the most because the majority of BL novels is about them.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread to see if anyone brings forward actual quotes tho, or at least more people posting info from memory.

d3m01iti0n wrote:12ft is a bit silly. I figure theyre 7ft unarmored, 8 ft armored.

Personally, I'm going with GW's measurements of 7-7.5 feet, in armour - see the lifesize drawing I linked in my first reply.
As Jes stated in the GW design podcast, that's large enough - it's not their height that makes them stand out, but the sheer bulk.

Indeed Just glanced through Heslreach again no chore as I do love that novel - and whilst there are many references to the Astartes as "Giants" by the non Marine POV characters _ Ican't see a measurement of height, but might have missed it. Around 8ft in armour seems about right to me - as you say they are tall AND Bulky but even scarier is that they are also fast with it.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
not to mention but on a battlefield littered with high power ranged weapons, being very large and wearing bright colored armor will likely mean a much easier target.

I know when I was deployed and the bullets started flying I wished I was alot smaller

7ft before armor 8ft-9ft afterwards sounds about reasonable, but remember before all the marine fans get their adamantine undies in a bunch, they are almost as broad as they are tall, and all muscle, so still macho, just dont have to watch the clearance signs when walking under bridges.

The Realm of Chaos era background stated that the Grey Knights were 'almost as broad as tall, the geneseed battling the overwhelming gravity of titan, eventually pushing out when it could no longer push up', or similar and that stated 8ft as a height, again supporting taller marines in the rest of the chapters. Whilst I know all this 'Star Child' background is no longer so fashionable, this has never been retconned to my knowledge and again, as with Mr Abnett, it's another valid clue to the true height of Astartes.

IMHO, that Jes Goodwin speech is a flimsy defense of the marine models remaining the same height as other ranges have increased in size. (just consider how much bigger an ork is these days!!).

Where does it say that - Looking in Slaves to Darkness and whilst it talks about the quality of equipment and few but best psykes can't see anythig about their actual dimensions? Is it STD or Lost and the Damned?

Slaves to Darkness has all the Grey Knights referecnes - Lost and the damned is Sensei / Starchild.

It may be that you are thinking of the size of Terminator armour which is both bigger and bulkier??

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, I was right after all it seems, to state that what I have read about, that a marine stands at 10 feet, is valid. It's interesting that what I've said was treated as untrue but that the counter argument is 'it's all untrue and everything is also real'... I'll take that and bid you a good night.

Perhaps - it think it would be helpful and maybe avoid some arguments /confusion if you were a bit more certain on the sources of the info so they can be checked and discussed. Someone will normally have access to the appropriate material if you don't anymore and then it can be quoted in context.

Its probably the result of the Deathworlders being "inspired" by the Harry Harrison Deathworld novels - where the inhabitants are noticable larger than mainstream humans?

@ MeanGreenStompa: Have to agree with Crimson - I have tried to be as reasonable as possible and merely asked for actual references so we could discuss them and their context - I started 40K with Rogue Trader (1st Ed) which I have still have and most things published since - sad but true .

Indeed but if you read the books I would say they are definately inspirational for Catachan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathworld

Everything on the planet is predatory, and capable of killing an unwary human instantly. All large animals are strong enough to destroy small vehicles. All small animals have neurotoxic venom. All plants are carnivorous, even if only by default—their victims fertilize their soil. All microorganisms consume insufficiently protected tissue as quickly as acids. On top of this, all the aforementioned life evolves so quickly that even Kerk and his Pyrran crew have to be retrained upon their return from Cassylia in order to survive.

Because of this harsh environment, the settlers are engaged in a ceaseless struggle to survive, which—despite generations of acclimation and a training regime harsher than that of ancient Spartans—they are losing. Their numbers are less than when the planet was first colonized, and they are restricted to a single settlement. The world's very name is a reference to Pyrrhic victory, a success that comes at devastating cost to the victor