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So..as you know you may take a Power field generator which give you and every model within 3" a 4+ invul save

If you are going to embark a LR would any model in 3" within the LR have a 4+invul save? Even Zooming Flyers?

Yes, every model within 3" will get the 4+ invuln.

Unsure about how this works with a zooming flyer, although based on the 6th ed rule of thumb of ground unit special rules not affecting flyers I would say no. From a logical perspective it also seems very unlikely that a zooming flyer would be no less than a few feet above the heads of warriors beneath him.

It definitely works for ground units though. I actually use the force field in an LRC tactic with another LRC and Banner of Devastation. An AV14, 4++ wall of 48 twin-linked bolter shots. Thank you, please.

usa_supersonic wrote:
So..as you know you may take a Power field generator which give you and every model within 3" a 4+ invul save

If you are going to embark a LR would any model in 3" within the LR have a 4+invul save? Even Zooming Flyers?

1) Yes, page 78 from memory, you need to measure something involving the unit so you measure to the vehicle hull
2) The hull of the flyer would need to be within 3" to benefit

I'd say yes if the flyer was in hoover mode.

phatonic wrote:
I'd say yes if the flyer was in hoover mode.

Only if the hull is within 3" can it gain the benefit, regardless of Zooming/Hovering.

 Happyjew wrote:

phatonic wrote:
I'd say yes if the flyer was in hoover mode.

Only if the hull is within 3" can it gain the benefit, regardless of Zooming/Hovering.

Yeh but then again, inn hoover mode it count as a skimmer a ground unit you know right?

I bet theres something about it on the january FAQ tough,

phatonic wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

phatonic wrote:
I'd say yes if the flyer was in hoover mode.

Only if the hull is within 3" can it gain the benefit, regardless of Zooming/Hovering.

Yeh but then again, inn hoover mode it count as a skimmer a ground unit you know right?

I bet theres something about it on the january FAQ tough,

Sure it counts as a skimmer - but why is that relevant?

And it's "hover" not "hoover". I'm sure English isn't your first language so please don't take my correction as a slight.

phatonic wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

phatonic wrote:
I'd say yes if the flyer was in hoover mode.

Only if the hull is within 3" can it gain the benefit, regardless of Zooming/Hovering.

Yeh but then again, inn hoover mode it count as a skimmer a ground unit you know right?

I bet theres something about it on the january FAQ tough,

Even in hover mode you still use the hull of the model. Vehicle bases are only used in certain situations (assaulting, disembarking, being in terrain) and even then they are situational.

Nothing in Hover mode alters where the model is on its base.

AS above which is poo for LOS and scoring objectives in big guns or scourging, you would think the base would be counted for the flyer when it is in hover mode but its still the hull :(

MarkyMark wrote:
AS above which is poo for LOS and scoring objectives in big guns or scourging, you would think the base would be counted for the flyer when it is in hover mode but its still the hull :(

Really? so all those guys who be using their hover flyers (SM/IG) mostly to cap objectives at the scouring.. have been cheating without knowing it?

phatonic wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
AS above which is poo for LOS and scoring objectives in big guns or scourging, you would think the base would be counted for the flyer when it is in hover mode but its still the hull :(

Really? so all those guys who be using their hover flyers (SM/IG) mostly to cap objectives at the scouring.. have been cheating without knowing it?

I've never seen a flyer claim an objective, if the flyer is within 3" or whatever distance you need then it's grand otherwise no dice.
What people have been doing in some places is putting their flyer on the objective, weathering a turn of fire and rushing troops in at the last second to claim the game.

if the hull is over 3 inches from the objective so the flyer cant score it, I have only scored a objective once or twice, one time opponent put objective high up on terrain so was good for me as it was big guns and my storm raven won me that game.

Yeah, technically the objective would have to be on some sort of terrain feature so the flyer could get to within 3"

We've always played that the base counts for holding objectives if a flyer is scoring for some reason. Its such a rare occurance that we see no big deal on adjusting the rules for that.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, technically the objective would have to be on some sort of terrain feature so the flyer could get to within 3"

We've always played that the base counts for holding objectives if a flyer is scoring for some reason. Its such a rare occurance that we see no big deal on adjusting the rules for that.

Well scouring for example makes fast attack's scoring units. Iv'e seen people doing it at tournaments too. :/

Like i said, it only comes up in 1/6 of the scenerios. Tournaments are a wild card as always so you really need the specifics on them to make any judgements.

Well 2/6's, big guns as storm ravens and cron flyers are HS. RAW they are scoring, non denial units, and objectives are measured 3 inches, the interesting part is though what objective markers you use, I see poker chips being used a lot or the GW objectives are quite tall, I have teleport homers on terminator bases so most of the time flyers wont be able to score objectives on ground level. Linebreaker is all good though

No codex has a flyer in both HS and FA(IDK about DAs though) so for any one army its a 1/6 chance.

 Grey Templar wrote:
No codex has a flyer in both HS and FA(IDK about DAs though) so for any one army its a 1/6 chance.

Unless you have Blood Angels allied with GK or some such where they can have a Stormraven as Heavy Support (For the BA) and a Stormraven as a Fast attack (For the GK).

So it can be 2/6

True.

As folks have said, the base is irrelevant. With a flyer or skimmer, measurements are always to the hull except for certain specified and limited purposes, of which scoring objectives is not one.

Whenever I play Big Guns with my BA SR, Scouring with my Helldrake, or either mission using my CSM with Helldrake + Necron allies with Doom Scythe, I make a point of placing objectives raised up on terrain; either on top of hills or in the upper levels of ruins, specifically so I can score them with my flyers.

That being said, my Helldrake actually has no problems scoring objectives at ground level either, as its wingtips hang well within 3" of the table surface.

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Getting back to the original question, the generator works fine. All measurements are from to the model holding the generator (or the hull of his transport if he's in one), and to the base or hull of the model benefitting.

There's absolutely no difficulty granting the 4++ to another vehicle within 3" of the hull, including a Zooming Flyer. Bear in mind, of course, that Hovering Flyers have a 5+ jink anyway, and a Zooming Flyer can always choose to Evade to get a 5+ Jink, so giving them a 4++ invuln is certainly nice, but not necessarily a big boost in durability.

 Grey Templar wrote:
No codex has a flyer in both HS and FA(IDK about DAs though) so for any one army its a 1/6 chance.

What about DE? I know Eldar has a FA and HS flyer through FW.

Yeah, but most of the time we arn't including forge world. And I'm not familiar with the FW eldar stuff.

 Mannahnin wrote:
As folks have said, the base is irrelevant. With a flyer or skimmer, measurements are always to the hull except for certain specified and limited purposes, of which scoring objectives is not one.

Whenever I play Big Guns with my BA SR, Scouring with my Helldrake, or either mission using my CSM with Helldrake + Necron allies with Doom Scythe, I make a point of placing objectives raised up on terrain; either on top of hills or in the upper levels of ruins, specifically so I can score them with my flyers.

That being said, my Helldrake actually has no problems scoring objectives at ground level either, as its wingtips hang well within 3" of the table surface.

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Getting back to the original question, the generator works fine. All measurements are from to the model holding the generator (or the hull of his transport if he's in one), and to the base or hull of the model benefitting.

There's absolutely no difficulty granting the 4++ to another vehicle within 3" of the hull, including a Zooming Flyer. Bear in mind, of course, that Hovering Flyers have a 5+ jink anyway, and a Zooming Flyer can always choose to Evade to get a 5+ Jink, so giving them a 4++ invuln is certainly nice, but not necessarily a big boost in durability.

Even with scouring a lot of tournaments are stern about flyers never being scoring.

I've never encountered that. Probably just because there's no basis for it in the rule book.

 Mannahnin wrote:
I've never encountered that. Probably just because there's no basis for it in the rule book.

Yea for the indy they said no dice.

Their house, their rules. I wouldn't do it, and thankfully haven't played at an event that did it (although NOVA sort of does it with their terrible "all objectives must be at ground level" house rule).

 Mannahnin wrote:
Their house, their rules. I wouldn't do it, and thankfully haven't played at an event that did it (although NOVA sort of does it with their terrible "all objectives must be at ground level" house rule).

They seem to be on the same page as nova so I wouldnt be surprised if they kept them not scoring.

NOVA allows flyers to score this year. Actually, it looks like they may have also removed the "objectives are always at ground level" thing, too. Which makes sense, as the current GW FAQs specifically allow them to be placed in the upper floors of ruins.

http://www.novaopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/NOVA-Draft-Primer-2013.pdf