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Lords

Archmage - Level 4, Loremasters Cloak, Silver Wand, Lore of Light - 310

Heroes

Noble - Great Weapon, BSB, Armour of Caledor, Guardian Phoenix - 168

Mage - Level 2, Seerstaff of Saphery, Lore of Shadow - 165

Core

Archers - 20, Musician - 225

Spearmen - 30, Full Command - 295

Specials

Swordmasters - 25, Full Command, Terrifying Mask of EEE!, Banner of Sorcery - 480

Now if calculated correctly this comes to 1643 points. I'm having some difficulty deciding on what to take for the other 350 or so points. Here are 2 ideas:

Idea A

White Lions - 20, Full Command - 330

Spearmen - Include Lion Standard - 25

Total of 1998(Including above list)

Idea B

Spearmen - Include Lion Standard - 25

Silver Helms - 10, Full Command, 10 Shields - 270

Eagle - 50

Noble - Include Gem of Courage - 10

Total 1998(Including above list)

However if neither of these seem appropriate then I have the following models at my disposal:

Griffon/Eagle
15 Reavers/Silver Helms/ Dragon Princes
Chariot
An extra 10 Swordmasters
20 White Lions - The ones included in Idea A.

I appreciate any help or advice.

I'd get yourself some eagles, a pair to be sure, so that's 100 points right there.

I think you're capped on magic points with your two current items on the noble, so I'm not sure how you planned on giving him the gem of courage.

I'm a bigger fan of the white lion option to go along with your sword masters. I would, however, swap things around a bit. Make the white lions large, 25+, and give them the banner of sorcery. Also, I'd go just for minimum core, so instead of two spearmen units, just one big one. Use the extra points for more white lions. Between them and your sword masters, you have excellent hammers to go along with a large spearmen anvil.

I think 24 white lions in a 6*4 might be better, same with the swordmasters.

Aipoch wrote:I'd get yourself some eagles, a pair to be sure, so that's 100 points right there.

I think you're capped on magic points with your two current items on the noble, so I'm not sure how you planned on giving him the gem of courage.

I'm a bigger fan of the white lion option to go along with your sword masters. I would, however, swap things around a bit. Make the white lions large, 25+, and give them the banner of sorcery. Also, I'd go just for minimum core, so instead of two spearmen units, just one big one. Use the extra points for more white lions. Between them and your sword masters, you have excellent hammers to go along with a large spearmen anvil.

Sadly I only have the one eagle/griffon model atm, I would take 2 if I had them. They seem to be a standard in High Elf armies.

As for the Noble, yea I went over in Idea B. So I need to consider a new item, It was the last 10 so I just threw it on.

I can see why the White Lions would be a nice choice for the banner since they have a nice save against shooting.

SentientFrog wrote:I think 24 white lions in a 6*4 might be better, same with the swordmasters.

Iv never ran a unit 6*4, I usually always run the unit 7 wide, might be something to try though. Bearing in mind the Lions and Swordmasters will most likely have either a Mage or the Noble in with them.


Thanks for the advice guys.

I would drop the lore of light.

I prefer life with HE. The spells are easy to cast as the values are lower. Bringing back D6 +1 swordmasters a turn, yes please. Also you can buff a unit to t5 pretty easy or t7 if you have throne online.

Also the ability to give your mage and his unit regen on a low casting value is really good at helping vs warmachines and monsters.

I also agree with the one big block of spearmen vs. 2 smaller.

I also would not put the banner of sorcery on the swordmasters. They are constantly getting shot/magiced to death because they are so good in CC and have almost no defense. You will lose that banner many games.

I like my banner in a unit of pheonix guard and would take them over white lions every day of the week. I know they are S4 not S6 but the 5+ 4++ is so insane for high elves. I run 25 normally 5 wide, 5 deep and put my BSB in that unit to increase its combat res.

Good start to a list though!

In regards to Lores I will say I have used Life almsot exclusevly with my HE, I ran with light to mix it up a bit. T7 elves do scare the crap outta people from my local gaming group.

The spearmen is just one big unit, the ideas just include the Lion Standard on it.

As for Phoenix Guard VS White Lions, the only reason Lions won was because of the models. I'll get some Phoenix Guard when I can.

The above ideas are all good but in addition I'd say that you've got a lot of unnecessary magic items that don't really do anything significant except take up points, like the terrifying mask (despite its awesome name). If you dropped them, you'd probably have enough points for another eagle or some more swordmasters.

I would have to agree with a few of the items noted. Something to think about is maybe taking the banner and putting it on the BSB. I run this set up and it works because the job of the BSB is to gen dice and keep units in line. When you start putting him on the front line, your putting your ability to stay in the fight in jeopardy. Most of the players might bulk at the idea but when you have a unit of lions in combat, stubborn, well you want that BSB in tow to keep that unit in place. The longer the lions are in hth, the more they will wreck face. That or they have arleady rolled up the unit in question.

As far as the lore, silver wand backed up with life. I would opt to skip dwellers and even vines in favor off the other spells. If I had to choose between the two, I would take vines over dwellers because T7 archers will hold the line any day of the week.

With the mage you could go High because you will have access to vauls, flames, or if you want the sig ward which will also help the spearmen, swordmasters, etc. Its cheap and gives you access to drain magic which is a bonus to the lore. On top of that DE just love when you vauls something in there list.

If you can proxy and or make a unit filler for the last lion that will work just fine. I normally run my lion units 3x7 so that they can really punch a whole in the enemies lines. If they are going to be running the flank, give them the GP standard, or the gem for reroll ld and or 3d6 ld test. That way they stay and punish the flank.

At 2k, I still feel that you need at least something down field to address WM, etc. So I would look at adding in another eagle and or finding something to help address warmachines. A few players that I speak with on the elven boards run DP set up for anti WM duty. Granted it takes a few turns to get into the back field, onces they do its all down hill.

Something to think about if your not to shabby with green stuff. That or you would like to try your hand at it. Is to take the griffon rider off and clean his seating area and holster area and anything else off the griffon. Next you can attemp tto convert it to an eagle which I have but am still finishing up. That or you can just paint it and run it as an eagle lion of charce...Over on one of the other boards you can view my log under Tarval. I have taking pictures thus far of every cut and re asseble. Its just funny how after working on this army for almost a year, and seeing how my eagles are coming out. Then GW drops some LoTR eagles that look just like mine, hum.... Hum you say, 94 put together the techmarine you see today for the SM army,, hum... P

Not a HE player but; a unit of 25 swordmasters isn't that scary.
Yes they hit hard but they are flimsy and it is only 1 unit.
2 units of 10-15 are MUCH scarier, you're practically guaranteed to loose both but they should be used as suicide squads.
10 attacks at my general at ASF with great weapons is nice but if he survives your unit will be torn apart. If you only have 10 then you don't care about that and can hit him again next turn with your second unit.

At the end of the day, every HE general will find victory through magic. The success of the army is highly dependent on the synergy you give it through magic.

As an example, take the previously mentioned 25 sword master unit. They won't seem so easy to pick off when a Life mage makes them T7 and brings the ones that do die back to life, or a Metal mage gives them scaly skin and +1 to hit (meaning they all hit on 2's against nearly everything), or a High magic mage gives them a lovely 5+ ward.

Plenty of other options of course (a personal favorite being Light and Metal for WS 10 and +1 to hit with armour piercing...mmmm, tasty), but the above ones make the point. I can easily buff a single large unit very effeciently, and they can stick around much longer as a result. I cannot buff two smaller units nearly as well. Sure, some of those spells can be AoE, but not all, and not the best ones.

HE's have the blessing that all of your infantry, though very expensive, is actually really awesome in terms of combat stats. It's the defenses that are the problem. Buff those up, and HE's quickly become a seemingly unstoppable force.

I'd still recommend moving the sorcery banner into the white lions, simply because they have the better chance of holding the line to the very end from stubborn. If you do decide to switch the sword master into MSU (10-14 per unit, 5x2 or 7x2, respectively), I would highly recommend a life mage with regrowth and vines so you can safely chuck 6 dice at bringing D6+1 dead elves (up to half a unit) back from the great beyond.

Also, remember that only those mages which must choose spells randomly are not allowed to have repeat spells. You can easily take a lvl 4 archmage with a silver wand, roll your 5 spells (you're VERY likely to get regrowth), and then take a second lvl 1 or 2 mage with a seerstaff, and pick regrowth again. That's 2 units you can bring back, or one unit you can seriously revive. Nothing makes an opponents stomach churn quite like facing off against a ton of swordmasters one round, getting mauled by them, killing half of them in return, only to have that half brought back again, and again, and again...lol.

Well I played two games last night, won one and lost the other. I managed to decimate Dwarfs thanks to Pit of Shades and the eagle which took out his warmachines. Playing againt Chaos was another issue. My Banner of Sorcery was wiped out in turn 2 thanks to a rather devastating spell(it took out the whole unit apart from the mage). Im surprised that my archers held up to 5 chaos knights, enffeebling foe right at the start and my opponent couldnt get enough dispell dice to get rid of it.

Quite happy with how the list performed, bearing in mind this is more for a friendly game scenario which I should have mentioned beforehand.

Thanks for all the input though.

If you're having trouble with enemy magic, don't forget that High Elf Mages get an extra +1 to Dispel. It's a very useful bonus that many HE players forget!