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Ok realy basic question but I keep reading about people playing it differently.

My brb says there can be only 1 challenge per close combat. I keep hearing people talking about fighting multiple challenges going from turn 1 to turn 2 of the same close combat. How is this allowed?

It's hard to understand what you are asking.

You can start a new challenge in the same combat once the old one is over (e.g. if one of the people in the challenge is slain), that might answer your question?

You're not allowed to issue another challenge until the first has ended.
But suppose there are two combats very close to each other, each with it's own challenge in which neither challengee (is that a word?) dies, next turn a player multi-assaults into both combats, causing them to be one large multi-combat with more than one challenge in it.

Is this what they are on about or am I missing something?

Say you have 2 units, each unit has 2 characters in the unit.

These units get to fighting, and on round 1 a challenge is declared and accepted. say one of the models involved in the challenge dies, but the unit that lost the combat made their morale check so you fight another round of combat.

In this subsequent round of combat another challenge can be called because the first challenge is finished.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Say you have 2 units, each unit has 2 characters in the unit.

These units get to fighting, and on round 1 a challenge is declared and accepted. say one of the models involved in the challenge dies, but the unit that lost the combat made their morale check so you fight another round of combat.

In this subsequent round of combat another challenge can be called because the first challenge is finished.

This is what I'm talking about. The brb states here can be only 1 challenge per close combat. After the two challengers fight there has been a challenge in the close combat, so now you can't make another challenge. Where am I going wrong?


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 Drunkspleen wrote:
It's hard to understand what you are asking.

You can start a new challenge in the same combat once the old one is over (e.g. if one of the people in the challenge is slain), that might answer your question?

Why can you do that when the brb says 1 challenge per close combat?

If someone wins the challenge (and so ended the challenge), but you remain in combat you can declare a new challenge next turn.

You are only allowed one challenge at a time, but they can run one after the other

Pony_law wrote:
tand what you are asking.

You can start a new challenge in the same combat once the old one is over (e.g. if one of the people in the challenge is slain), that might answer your question?

Why can you do that when the brb says 1 challenge per close combat?

Because most people read it is one ACTIVE challenge per close combat. Not "one in total for the full duration no matter how many rounds the CC takes"

Again its the wording of it that confuses..

""Only one challenge can be issued per close combat"" pg 64. makes someone think that there is only 1 allowed.

"" Once one challenge has been made, no further challenges can be issued in that combat whilst the previous challenge is ongoing.""pg 64 Note the bold..

""Even though further challenges cannot be issued in a combat until the existing challenge has been resolved"" pg 65. Shows that there can be more than 1 per combat.

Sorry to hi-jack but i think the OP's question has been answered. My question is, can an IG bodyguard "look out...arrrg" (basically a L.O.S save) your commander in a challenge. I believe it says no L.O.S saves in challenges.....but this is different right? Or am i WAY off here?

IG FAQ wrote:Page 31 – Regimental Advisors, Look Out – Arghh!
Change this entry to: “Whilst a Bodyguard is alive, the owning
player automatically passes their Look Out Sir! rolls for this
unit but any wounding hits diverted in this fashion must be
allocated to a Bodyguard”.

If you cannot LOS you cannot automatically pass LOS.

ah thanks..

So if you have a close combat that has multiple characters, once one challenge is done, another may be issued?

I read the "once.per close combat" like when you use two units in an assault, the total losses decided combat resolution and the Leadership penalty.

Yes, you can issue another challenge once the first has concluded.

The alternative (only one challenge ever per combat) would cause silliness with ongoing combats with multiple units rolling through them... For how long is it still the same combat? (I've had this warhammer for 10 years... replaced the head twice and the handle three times).

Finally have a chance to get back to this. I think the less silly result is the one challenge only per close combat. It's sill that a 200 pt character can be reduced to killing 4 IG sargents. Raw I think means one per close combat. The other rules that suggest multiple I think refer when you have a unit engaged in multiple close combats. For example unit A and B are in cc, with a challenge being faught. The next turn unit C charges unit A. C and A can issue a challenge because it is a different cc but cannot do so so long as A and B continue to fight their challenge.

This interpretation follows all rules as written and gives full meaning to each word. This interpretation also stops the absurd result of effectively making cc beasts 1 kill wonders.

The rules are quite clear. Both pages 64 and 65 explicitly tell you that you can't issue a second challenge in the same combat UNTIL THE FIRST ONE IS RESOLVED. Anyone who thinks you can't have subsequent challenges in the same combat has clearly not read the challenge rules fully, and has possibly stopped after only a paragraph or two of two full pages, as the statement on page 64 isn't even halfway down the first column.

The only way to have two going on at the same time is for there to be two assaults happening right next to each other, each with its own ongoing challenge, and then for an uninvolved unit to link the two into a multiple combat by multiassaulting into both.