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How much is a reasonable and realistic cost. For Super Heavy miniatures such as the Thunder hawk or Baneblade super heavy battle tank.

How long is a piece of string?

Cost for a model kit isn't as simple as 'It's this big...' Even ignoring GW's practice of pricing models you don't need as many of at a premium, it's affected heavily by the number of components and the level of detail.

 insaniak wrote:
How long is a piece of string?

Cost for a model kit isn't as simple as 'It's this big...' Even ignoring GW's practice of pricing models you don't need as many of at a premium, it's affected heavily by the number of components and the level of detail.

we are assuming that the detail is on par or better.

Is it solid gold? Some other information may be needed such as materials, part counts and optional parts.


Though i would say about 125-150

as it would probably be a 5-6+ spur count if it was plastic.

I said 100, though 150 for a thunderhawk doesn't seem totally out of reason, even when compared to other sci-fi model kits.

Even a large "affordable" kit such as the Dreamforge Crusader still retails for around a hundred bucks.

Still, if experience tells us anything it's that "reasonable" and "Games Workshop pricing" don't really fit in the same topic.

Shall I assume this is your experimental space game? If so, you may be aiming a little large in terms of models.

We really can't tell you anything. How is the model going to be assembled? How much will it cost to make and ship? How many components are there?

check tank makers like Tamiya or dragon models for comparable prices

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Shall I assume this is your experimental space game? If so, you may be aiming a little large in terms of models.

Seriously - I can't be going to the YMCA every time I want a couple of frigates to duke it out.

This is a weird question.

Baneblade is already available for $100. Thunderhawk is much, much, bigger. How are we supposed to group the two into one answer?

"How much is a reasonable and realistic cost for a house, EmpireStateBuilding size buildings?"

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Shall I assume this is your experimental space game? If so, you may be aiming a little large in terms of models.

We really can't tell you anything. How is the model going to be assembled? How much will it cost to make and ship? How many components are there?

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Reds8n

I think the Baneblade was reasonable at £60 (no idea if thats still its price) when you compare it to other large plastic kits.

I'd happily pay 100 english pounds for a plastic Thunderhawk, in fact id bite yer hand off at the price.

Speaking of rude and ignorant! UM, maybe if you asked a proper question people might give you a proper answer! Vague much! Maybe we have no context because you have given none, which makes your question pretty much unanswerable.

Maybe this question will help you realize how vague your question is. What is a reasonable and realistic cost for a 4 door car? (Hint. If you think you can actually answer this question accurately.....you are wrong!)

Yeah, the irony's so thick here that we're going to need a bigger choppa' to get through it.

When a full quarter of your threads started have to deal with this nebulous 'space game', it's not a wild guess as to what you're probably asking about.

Pun intended, by the way.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Diogenesethedog wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Shall I assume this is your experimental space game? If so, you may be aiming a little large in terms of models.

We really can't tell you anything. How is the model going to be assembled? How much will it cost to make and ship? How many components are there?

You don't have enough context, to even begin to understand what the meaning behind the post is. You're very rude and ignorent. And you do nothing but make negative comments, after half ass assumptions.

So respectfully grow up. And as to we can't tell you anything. You speak for just you. You alone. And when your type this crap. It waists both our time.

Do you understand that you should stop?

Speaking of rude and ignorant! UM, maybe if you asked a proper question people might give you a proper answer! Vague much! Maybe we have no context because you have given none, which makes your question pretty much unanswerable.

Maybe this question will help you realize how vague your question is. What is a reasonable and realistic cost for a 4 door car? (Hint. If you think you can actually answer this question accurately.....you are wrong!)

The "person" has been harassing me do the math. Thanks move on.


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 Andrew1975 wrote:

Diogenesethedog wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Shall I assume this is your experimental space game? If so, you may be aiming a little large in terms of models.

We really can't tell you anything. How is the model going to be assembled? How much will it cost to make and ship? How many components are there?

You don't have enough context, to even begin to understand what the meaning behind the post is. You're very rude and ignorent. And you do nothing but make negative comments, after half ass assumptions.

So respectfully grow up. And as to we can't tell you anything. You speak for just you. You alone. And when your type this crap. It waists both our time.

Do you understand that you should stop?

Speaking of rude and ignorant! UM, maybe if you asked a proper question people might give you a proper answer! Vague much! Maybe we have no context because you have given none, which makes your question pretty much unanswerable.

Maybe this question will help you realize how vague your question is. What is a reasonable and realistic cost for a 4 door car? (Hint. If you think you can actually answer this question accurately.....you are wrong!)

How do you ask a PROPER question? ... It's a matter of opinion as you can Imagine . I ASKED VERY SPECIFICALLY HOW MUCH IS A REASONABLE PRICE FOR A THUNDERHAWK .

How is that not a proper question? It appears to have a question mark at the end. Here is a proper question for you WTF?

Diogenesethedog wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Diogenesethedog wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Shall I assume this is your experimental space game? If so, you may be aiming a little large in terms of models.

We really can't tell you anything. How is the model going to be assembled? How much will it cost to make and ship? How many components are there?

You don't have enough context, to even begin to understand what the meaning behind the post is. You're very rude and ignorent. And you do nothing but make negative comments, after half ass assumptions.

So respectfully grow up. And as to we can't tell you anything. You speak for just you. You alone. And when your type this crap. It waists both our time.

Do you understand that you should stop?

Speaking of rude and ignorant! UM, maybe if you asked a proper question people might give you a proper answer! Vague much! Maybe we have no context because you have given none, which makes your question pretty much unanswerable.

Maybe this question will help you realize how vague your question is. What is a reasonable and realistic cost for a 4 door car? (Hint. If you think you can actually answer this question accurately.....you are wrong!)

The "person" has been harassing me do the math. Thanks move on.

Maybe he is harshing you because well, you ask questions like the one above. That's not really harshing. Thats just pointing out that you need to put more thought into your posts.

I am not oppsed to paying $150-165 AUD for a baneblade, sadly it is one of the better value things to by for us aussies.

A thunderhawk.. I'd happily pay $300-$350 for that if it came in plastic.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Diogenesethedog wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Diogenesethedog wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
Shall I assume this is your experimental space game? If so, you may be aiming a little large in terms of models.

We really can't tell you anything. How is the model going to be assembled? How much will it cost to make and ship? How many components are there?

You don't have enough context, to even begin to understand what the meaning behind the post is. You're very rude and ignorent. And you do nothing but make negative comments, after half ass assumptions.

So respectfully grow up. And as to we can't tell you anything. You speak for just you. You alone. And when your type this crap. It waists both our time.

Do you understand that you should stop?

Speaking of rude and ignorant! UM, maybe if you asked a proper question people might give you a proper answer! Vague much! Maybe we have no context because you have given none, which makes your question pretty much unanswerable.

Maybe this question will help you realize how vague your question is. What is a reasonable and realistic cost for a 4 door car? (Hint. If you think you can actually answer this question accurately.....you are wrong!)

The "person" has been harassing me do the math. Thanks move on.

Maybe he is harshing you because well, you ask questions like the one above. That's not really harshing. Thats just pointing out that you need to put more thought into your posts.

Maybe you can stop wasting my time? And posting negative comments. You seem to be the only person that actually knows what a proper question is. Please.. Please tell me everything about how YOU, think a proper question should be posted.

I don't have time for people like you. I am asking questions I need to answer. It's posed the way it's suppose to be posed. I'm ignoring you from now on just like the other guy and I won't have any more issues.

Cost times three.

Maybe you should just realize not everybody is wasting your time and posting negative comments?

We can't answer the question with the very vague details, we've tried to delve a little further in to help you, we've tried to help you in our own way. Just because we disagree with you doesn't make us terrible.

Also, I don't really care if you never read this. It just doesn't matter.

Maybe you should have phrased the question more specifically.

HOW MUCH IS A REASONABLE PRICE FOR A THUNDERHAWK .??

A real thunderhawk? A resin Thunderhawk? A Plastic Thunderhawk? A Metal Thunderhawk?

What scale? 28ml? Epic scale?

We can all asssume you mean a plastic Thunderhawk for use in 40k but unless you ask the question properly do not be suprised if people take you to task over the way you asked it.

A better way to write the question might have been...

"What would be a reasonable price for a plastic thunderhawk for 40k? " (hell you wouldnt even need to put 40k- people could probably get that from the plastic part)

The devil is in the details. Your question was vague.

Edited for some Emperor-awful puncuation.

Beyond all the other stuff mentioned in this thread - if you are considering selling as a business...it is really important to get a handle on the processes.

We use a lot of scratch built and custom cast stuff in our local group - including things which are bigger than a Forge World Thunderhawk. Although we don't specifically charge for a profit - we do charge and keep track of how much things cost in order to maintain our collections of new toys and the means with which to create them.

I addition to the cost of the master - which for something that large will not be trivial (the last thing which we did that was comparable in size was a Cheyenne Dropship (from the Aliens universe). Its about 20" long - so still a bit smaller than a Thunder hawk. Lots of moving parts and a detailed interior. The master cost about $75 to create. The molds were another $270 and each casting costs about $30 for the resin parts (it also has vacuum formed clear plastic and etched brass parts) for a total cost of about $40 per unit. Based on past experience - we will probably get about 75-100 castings out of the mold before we have to think about replacing it. So, not even taking into account any sort of labor costs - each of those models would be $45 or so just in materials and figuring in mold/master costs.

If we were looking to do it commercially - we would need to consider whether or not we would likely hit that 100 casts number or if it would be more likely to be less (or more) than that. With the Cheyenne - I am pretty sure we could sell them like hotcakes on eBay. Aliens is a popular franchise...though we would risk running afoul of their attorneys. Something which is more niche would likely not have as good of chances of selling that well though, so you might have to cover your mold costs with 10 or 20 sales (a $270 mold with 10 castings can impact your bottom line significantly).

Mixing and pouring large molds isn't trivial - and it can take a bit of effort to do correctly. If you are new and working on a shoestring budget - you may end up having a lot of miscasts and need to absorb those as well.

After that is all out of the way, you need to consider what is your time worth. Figure an hour or so for the casting and demolding process as well as however much time you spend in creating the master and molds.

You may well find out that just to break even and pay yourself a tiny amount ($10 per hour or so) you would need to sell the model for at least $100-150).

So, it sort of places things in a different light. Is $10 per hour reasonable to you - or do you think you should make more? If it is all new to you, you will probably want to start small in order to get an idea of how much certain things would cost you to do (in terms of time and resources). Do you have the space to store buckets of resin, rubber and a half dozen different molds for long periods of time?

If I were selling them - I would probably need to charge $200 or so to make it worth my time. Would someone pay that? Depends on the model really. What it is, the level of detail, whether or not something else which is comparable is available cheaper from elsewhere. As has been noted - a plastic Baneblade can be had for $115. If you need to charge $150 to be profitable on a custom Baneblade - then it is likely you wouldn't have much of a market. $200 for a Thunderhawk though would be attractive compared to the FW price tag.

Diogenesethedog , if you want this thread to continue, you need to calm down and accept that people were having issues with your question because of the way you posed it, not just to mess with you. If you can't stay civil about it, there's not much point allowing this to continue.

I'd buy one for a buck for three.

Seriously though. Cy's got the best answer, and Seans given a pretty detailed explanation for it.

1. Material cost?
2. Production cost?
3. Molds cost?
4. Need/ market for it?
5. Relevence ( Why DO I need it to play?)

Serious as a heart attack, your going at the approach of your topics like joe the expert. Less attitude, more discuss. I see an investment in a game as pretty much-
1. a couple of models. 2-3 at the most.
2. a unit to put them to. maybe one of two to three factions to start.
3. solid play and good artwork. Miniatures is a taxctil sport. we need toys in hand to see what they really look like.
4. Substance, no talkie. We need to see figures and fluff, how they work, how the mechanics work, replayablity.

Other then that, I'm playing "Marx's Army Men" War with a six sider and some model airplanes. Scenery is out in the sandbox.

You can't honestly use a "Baneblade" as an industry standard. If you want to know the truth, 40-50 bucks is the price target your looking for. If not, No one wants it just to throw around money for a pretty licky or chewie.

Just my opinion. I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty close.

I'd pay up to $100 for a plastic, multi-part baneblade.

I'd pay up to $200 for a plastic, multi-part thunderhawk. Even though they're similar in size, I want one at the price, and there currently isn't one.

I'd pay $1 if the OP would stop posting his/her knee-jerk, over-reactions to people asking legitimate, clarifying questions.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Maybe you should have phrased the question more specifically.

HOW MUCH IS A REASONABLE PRICE FOR A THUNDERHAWK .??

A real thunderhawk? A resin Thunderhawk? A Plastic Thunderhawk? A Metal Thunderhawk?

What scale? 28ml? Epic scale?

We can all asssume you mean a plastic Thunderhawk for use in 40k but unless you ask the question properly do not be suprised if people take you to task over the way you asked it.

A better way to write the question might have been...

"What would be a reasonable price for a plastic thunderhawk for 40k? " (hell you wouldnt even need to put 40k- people could probably get that from the plastic part)

The devil is in the details. Your question was vague.

Edited for some Emperor-awful puncuation.

Then it was a vague question. Thanks move on

Whats up with the attitude?

 kronk wrote:
I'd pay up to $100 for a plastic, multi-part baneblade.

I'd pay up to $200 for a plastic, multi-part thunderhawk. Even though they're similar in size, I want one at the price, and there currently isn't one.

I'd pay $1 if the OP would stop posting his/her knee-jerk, over-reactions to people asking legitimate, clarifying questions.

I see that as a personal attack and Why am being PMed by mods saying to be polite? No over reactions I'm reacting to posts like this. There are NO legitmate question everything a matter of opionon.

So what if I asked about an average price range for a miniature starting from baneblade size, to thunderhawk size. I did not specify resin or plastic. Because the material and quality does not matter. You're continuous insults and condescending replies as a whole not just but the community, really get on my nerves.

Thanks for your opinion.

I will keep it in mind.

Who cares if it's not exact to your liking it's a question.

IMHO, price is acceptable as is, if treated as collectors display pieces. As pieces meant for play, due to the inability to use any of these large pieces in actual gameplay, no amount of money is worth it, because it will spend its time in a case or a closet.

At the end of the day, GW should have packaged "scenario" rules with each superheavies like the starter box scenarios so that the superheavies can be used outside of Apoc (which is less of a gaming format, than a huge nerd-spank where everyone "displays" their collection at the start of the game and then immediately starts packing it again after the first shooting phase.)

Diogenesethedog wrote:
I did not specify resin or plastic. Because the material and quality does not matter.

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Alright, I'm done here.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Whats up with the attitude?

Does anyone know who Diogenes the dog was?

He was the father of cynics and studied under Aristotle.

He was a minimalist and cared nothing about polite culture, very much similar to frank zappa, politically.

They called him the dog. He then in kind urinated on people.

And offered a resounding piece of advice. which is still very true today "You treat someone like a dog, they act like a dog" (Diogenes )

So why the attitude people like Kronk.

Which I hope the mods deal with as a personal attack against me.