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There is a guy at my club who plays hardcore RAW. And is TFG.

He Rolls dice in such a way that he curls the dice making it spin on one Axis. He says he is allowed to do it because it doesn't say in the rulebook how to roll a dice ¬¬



But anyway, i've got a list ready to take him on in which i stick some Ripper Swarms behind a Defence line.
Is there anything stopping me from stacking the Defence line on top of each other so that its actually 100% Impossible to see my Rippers?

There so damn small how could he see them anyway lol?

Each piece of the ADL needs to be in base contact with at least one other piece.

Why do you bother playing with the guy if he's so terrible? Or is he just that uber level of terrible that makes you want nothing more than to annihilate him and wipe that smug look off his face?

Nivek5150 wrote:
Each piece of the ADL needs to be in base contact with at least one other piece.

Why do you bother playing with the guy if he's so terrible? Or is he just that uber level of terrible that makes you want nothing more than to annihilate him and wipe that smug look off his face?

He goes to tournemants alot, and does pretty well in them all.

But i am determined to prove to him that there is a difference between being a good player, and having a good list. And he uses a flithy Daemons list. AND Prove to him that playing RAW In such a way, makes him a downright pr***

4x5 plaugebearers, 3x6 Flamers, 3x9 Screamers and Fateweaver.



And Each piece of the ADL IS in contact with each other.

The only thing in the FAQ Concering an Aegis Defence Line is this

Q: Can you deploy the Aegis Defence Line sections in two or more
groups of two or more sections apiece (this way, they will still be in
base contact with at least one other section)? (p114)
A: No – the Aegis defence line sections must be deployed
in an unbroken chain, though they can be connected endto-
end such as in the example shown on page 114.

I'd say no way that's allowed.

Plus if he is that hard core, there's no way he He would let you do it anyway.

I'd say beat him with RAW and be a better list builder and player. consider beating him at his own game.

100% Reserves
C:SM All drop pod Salamanders w Sternguard

Or be REAL mean and spam fliers. Makes those flamers WORTHLESS.

Go get em!




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Plus that whole dice gimick... super lame. Violates the spirit of the game and I think there is something in the BRB about that!

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Sure, there's no rule RAW about "trick" rolling. So let him do it, but roll your own dice by placing them down on the table with the 6 facing up. After all, there's no rule that says that isn't an acceptable way of rolling dice.

 Peregrine wrote:
Sure, there's no rule RAW about "trick" rolling. So let him do it, but roll your own dice by placing them down on the table with the 6 facing up. After all, there's no rule that says that isn't an acceptable way of rolling dice.

Except that's placing, not rolling.
But rolling it incredibly carefully so that you only change the facing once could be argued to technically still be rolling.

If you can convince your TO that trick rolling is ruining the tournament because of this guy, (which to be fair, it is. If you don't believe in trick rolling, you haven't faced off against people that can do it.) The TO could simply add that all rolls must be made with a dice cup. Supply one for each table, and you're golden.

If you're talking about placing a piece of ADL literally on top of another piece, then it is no longer in base-to-base contact. It is in top-to-base contact.

I certainly understand the appeal of wanting to beat an at his own game, so for that I wish you lots of luck.

 Purifier wrote:
Except that's placing, not rolling.

Define rolling. And cite page numbers in the 40k rulebook when you do.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Except that's placing, not rolling.

Define rolling. And cite page numbers in the 40k rulebook when you do.

Rolling: To move forward along a surface by revolving on an axis or by repeatedly turning over.

BRB: Frickin EVERYWHERE. Whereever there is a discussion about a die being used, the word "roll" is used.

 Purifier wrote:

Rolling: To move forward along a surface by revolving on an axis or by repeatedly turning over.

I said from the 40k rulebook. Please cite where the 40k rules specify any kind of rolling method, or minimum number of revolutions a rolled die has to complete, or any other rule that prevents me from picking my numbers and placing the dice in the proper orientation.

Also, the relevant definition:

(in certain games, as craps) to cast, or throw (dice).

So as I place them on the table with the required number facing up I "throw" them a very slight distance (but not enough to make them change to a different number).

 Peregrine wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

Rolling: To move forward along a surface by revolving on an axis or by repeatedly turning over.

I said from the 40k rulebook. Please cite where the 40k rules specify any kind of rolling method, or minimum number of revolutions a rolled die has to complete, or any other rule that prevents me from picking my numbers and placing the dice in the proper orientation.

Also, the relevant definition:

(in certain games, as craps) to cast, or throw (dice).

So as I place them on the table with the required number facing up I "throw" them a very slight distance (but not enough to make them change to a different number).

Your need to define a word in the BRB strikes me as TFG and INCREDIBLY ridiculous. Are you being serious or aiming to pick a fight?

Where in the BRB does it say that the word "line" means what the dictionary says it means? I can use your logic to allow for a "line" of sight to be a blob of sight. I'm sure we could find another thousand or so better examples of where you don't believe a word means what it means can change the game.

The BRB isn't a dictionary. It assumes you have a grasp of the language it uses.

And what you say to do I would never call throwing or casting. I'd call it placing or dropping.

Even you did when you explained it. You called it placing.

If a guy stood with a rock a cm off the ground and then let go of it, no one in the history of ever would say he threw it at the ground. They'd say he dropped it.

Good luck getting away with that at a tournament. I'd sooner pack my stuff up and leave than try to argue about what is and what isn't a roll. When it comes down to that, the game has lost all sense of fun and sportsmanship and isn't worth playing.

 Purifier wrote:
Are you being serious or aiming to pick a fight?

I am being entirely serious. If my opponent starts using rolling "tricks" then I will respond by placing all of my dice on the table with the desired number facing up until they either pack up and ragequit or stop being TFG and roll their dice like normal people. If they want to argue that "RAW" they're allowed to use those tricks, well, RAW so am I.

Enceladus wrote:
Good luck getting away with that at a tournament. I'd sooner pack my stuff up and leave than try to argue about what is and what isn't a roll. When it comes down to that, the game has lost all sense of fun and sportsmanship and isn't worth playing.

That's exactly the point. The whole point is to take the "trick" roller's argument to its inevitable extreme in such a way that they have to stop being a cheating donkey-cave and roll normally. If they ragequit because I won't let them cheat, well, that's a win for me.

Don't try and be a TFG to beat a TFG. That escalates to something worse than the Cold War did, and no one won that, either.

Remember, half the gamers out there have little to no social skills. They think that "oooooh, the rulebook doesn't define hygiene, so I don't have to bathe, either!" is acceptable, so why wouldn't "spinning" dice work, too? You'll never out-TFG a true TFG, so don't pile your Aegis. Don't place your dice. Don't stoop to his level to win. All that does is cement his belief that what he is doing is cool and he will think he has gained a convert in the school of "it doesn't say I have to".

 Peregrine wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Are you being serious or aiming to pick a fight?

I am being entirely serious. If my opponent starts using rolling "tricks" then I will respond by placing all of my dice on the table with the desired number facing up until they either pack up and ragequit or stop being TFG and roll their dice like normal people. If they want to argue that "RAW" they're allowed to use those tricks, well, RAW so am I.

Enceladus wrote:
Good luck getting away with that at a tournament. I'd sooner pack my stuff up and leave than try to argue about what is and what isn't a roll. When it comes down to that, the game has lost all sense of fun and sportsmanship and isn't worth playing.

That's exactly the point. The whole point is to take the "trick" roller's argument to its inevitable extreme in such a way that they have to stop being a cheating donkey-cave and roll normally. If they ragequit because I won't let them cheat, well, that's a win for me.

The difference is that while his behaviour is douchey and fringe, yours is just blatantly wrong. It's like being slapped and responding by nailing his hand to the wall. The OT isn't gonna come over and go "tough luck, shouldn't have slapped!" and then give you a high five that still-frames in the sunset.

He's gonna consider you a bigger douche and you'll probably lose the game based on what it was you wanted to highlight on the other guy when you're disqualified, and in comparison, the other guy is gonna look righteous. You've accomplished nothing.

 Purifier wrote:
The difference is that while his behaviour is douchey and fringe, yours is just blatantly wrong. It's like being slapped and responding by nailing his hand to the wall. The OT isn't gonna come over and go "tough luck, shouldn't have slapped!" and then give you a high five that still-frames in the sunset.

TBH, people would quickly learn to behave if slapping someone meant getting your hand nailed to the wall (and you'd deserve it).

And you still haven't given me a quote from the rulebook saying I'm wrong.

He's gonna consider you a bigger douche and you'll probably lose the game based on what it was you wanted to highlight on the other guy when you're disqualified, and in comparison, the other guy is gonna look righteous. You've accomplished nothing.

Well, in a tournament situation I'd call the TO over and have my cheating TFG opponent disqualified and banned from the store. But the OP doesn't say anything about it being a formal event where there's a TO that can remove a cheater.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Purifier wrote:
Except that's placing, not rolling.

Define rolling. And cite page numbers in the 40k rulebook when you do.

Really? To the OP, this is a good example of what I said in my post...

 Peregrine wrote:


TBH, people would quickly learn to behave if slapping someone meant getting your hand nailed to the wall (and you'd deserve it).

You obviously haven't been around *people* a lot. No one ever thinks they deserve anything coming to them and will always consider you the aggressor. It becomes a sprial where you both keep "teaching the other person a lesson" until it spirals out of control. Like Solo said, don't try to beat a douche by being a bigger douche, and certainly don't think you are helping him understand a point by doing it.

 Peregrine wrote:

And you still haven't given me a quote from the rulebook saying I'm wrong.

Again, something from solo, I loved the part of his post where he said that "oooooh, the rulebook doesn't define hygiene, so I don't have to bathe, either!"
Spot on, brah.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
There is a guy at my club who plays hardcore RAW. And is TFG.

He Rolls dice in such a way that he curls the dice making it spin on one Axis. He says he is allowed to do it because it doesn't say in the rulebook how to roll a dice ¬¬



But anyway, i've got a list ready to take him on in which i stick some Ripper Swarms behind a Defence line.
Is there anything stopping me from stacking the Defence line on top of each other so that its actually 100% Impossible to see my Rippers?

If he wants to be a hardcore RAW player/TFG just beat him at his own game. Call him out if he moves .000000000001" further than normal. Use ridiculous claims that models without eyes cannot shoot or charge (since you cannot draw LoS). Deny his vehicles Invulnerable saves (except for Bjorn against Glance/Pen hits and DEldar vs Dangerous Terrain), etc. Drag the gae down as much as possible. Every time he tries to do something look up every single pertainable rule before letting him continue and read it in depth.

Thread is being locked because, as written, it is designed simply to inflame.

An argument about how to roll dice by the 'RAW' is essentially pointless (as no conclusion can be drawn) and a thread title with 'is there anything to prevent me from doing this?' immediately sets the tone of the conversation for confrontation (not to mention not actually giving any indication of what the topic is about).