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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 17:38:45
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Storm Guard
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---HQ
Space Marine Chaplian 100
Jump Pack 15
Space Marine Librarian 100
Epistolary, Terminator Armor, Storm Shield 90
--Toops
Tactical Squad 90
+5 Marines, Flamer, Missile Launcher, Rhino 115
Tactical Squad 90
+5 Marines, Flamer, Plasma Cannon, Power Fist, Bolter, 110
Tactical Squad 90
+5 Marines, Melta-gun, Missile Launcher, Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Rhino 140
--Fast Attack
Assault Squad 100
+5 Marines, 2 Flamers, Power Axe, Plasma Pistol 140
Storm Tallon Doom Fang 120
Lascannons 25
--Heavy Support
Devastator Squad 90
+5 Marines, 2 Missile Launchers, Heavy Bolter, Lascannon, Chainsword 150
Predator 60
Lascannon Sponsons 60
Predator 60
Lascannon Turret, Lascannon Sponsons 105
Total 1850
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/02/15 17:39:24
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 21:55:54
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Stalwart Space Marine
Cardiff
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Hi
Fist thought that occur to me is that the updates on the Tactical Sargent are not very useful, a power sword and a plasma pistol (as is the Power Fist, )are wasted on the Sargent since he will probably die (along the rest of the squad ) in a melle , change the PW/PP and the Power Fist with combi weapons matching the squads and they are good to go . Also if you want change the plasma pistol of the Assault Sargent with a Tundershield ( i use the combat shield model form the command squad it works fine) since it will provide the unit with some durability since it will strike last
The devastators are good in the books and in the computer games but in the table top the under perform(sadly :( ) since they can not walk and shoot in the same turn(well they can walk but only snap fire) , also , tailor your devastator squad to a purpose , anti troops, anti tank since that configuration is not the best , try 4 HB for anti troops or 4 Ml against light vehicles or large mobs , those are the most cost/effective
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Blood ravens 4th 6000+
Iron Warriors 3000
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 22:04:44
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Give the sergeants combi-plasma to go with a plasma gun in the squad. Put them in an AC razorback and then combat squad out a lascannon team. That's pretty fearsome for a troops choice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 03:08:13
Subject: Re:1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
Iowa
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So on the Space Marine Librarian in terminator armor he can only get down field quickly by deep strike and that can be a hit and miss with one frigure(with a unit too come to think of it, but with him sitting out there with no back up or no other deep striking units that can be bad). Just how do you plan on using him, just to clear somethings up so I can understand better what you plan on doing with him.
Also why does your Devastator sarge have a chainsword he doesn't really need it IMHO and as already said they need to be set to one purpose.
Don't know much about putting power weapons on tactical squads, but you could use those points towards other things for your list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 04:44:46
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Storm Guard
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The librarian is just kind of there to back up a tac squad, as i am planing this list to have some strong mid field control. I need my tac squads to be able to win challenges, hold in cc until my Assault squad can get there so that is why i set them up that way. The librarian is in terminator armor so he can get the storm shield. As for the specific tactics i didnt mention, the 3 tac squads move up to either try and grab any objectives early on, or secure some mid field terrain which to set up a good defense with. The 2 rhino's moving allong either side of the board and the foot sloggers moving up the middle, the devastators will be in the back field providing cover fire for the tac squads. The Assault marines will be hanging out in some or behind some cover. and be used as a rapid response team, they along with the devastors may be combat squaded depending on the enemies im facing. The storm Tallon will be focusing on killing Fliers or being a nusance depending on the situation. And the Preds will be again providing extra anti-tank / Heavy infantry.
As for questions, will the preds be enough to go back to my orginal plan of 2 missile launchers, and 2 plasma cannons on my devastors?
Do i need more anti-air?
Is it still not worth it to bring in the combat attachments on the Sarges?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 05:07:34
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
Iowa
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I think what the other guys are trying to tell you is that if hit with a unit meant for CC they dead or really hurt and tied up making the points in your sarges a waste of points especially sense a tactical squad is a shooting squad and not really a melee squad. At least that is what I'm reading from it I could be wrong though. Your devastors would be better off with a mix of lascannons and missile launchers if you still want to mix them. Plasma cannons have a shorter range and would not hurt more heavily armoured vehicles making half the squad useless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 05:23:42
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Storm Guard
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The purpose of the tactical squad is to be the epitome of versitility, being able to bring a decent amount firepower, and still be able to do some assault, i want the unit to be able to survive a round or two of combat, and not be too bad off,
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 05:31:02
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
Iowa
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I just don't think you can have that remember "jack of all master of none" best to keep them at shooting and have your assult squad go after CC units. Don't forget large blast templates make a joke out of space marines and all those points on the sarge wasted badly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 05:43:34
Subject: 1850 vanillia marines list, with a focus on mid field control
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Storm Guard
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yeah i understand that they arn't going to be super assaulty but they arnt going to be that great at shooting either. but seeing as they are going to be in mid, ill need to do well in cc or at least as best as they can
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