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Made in gb
Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator




York, UK

So I was looking through my codex and thinking about my list when I noticed that my current FA options of 2x HF/MM, 1x HB/Typhoon ML speeders cost the same as 2 naked Baal preds.

The speeders have been under performing of late, and was thinking about what I'd gain and lose by swapping then out for the tanks. A key problem is the survivability of the HF/MM speeders in that they have to move close to utilise their weapons and generally fall to weight of small arms. The melta can be nice but they only really get 1 or 2 shots off a game and anything really high priority is dealt with by my Sternguard.

With the Baals I can get either the TL ass.cans which will help against FMC's or Flamestorms which will help against suddenly appearing marines. Without sponsons I feel I'm not making the best of them but shuffling points from another area might be a little tight!

Or what about bikes? Have many BA players being using them? I haven't used them much in 6th yet tbh but they look much better on paper. How do people utilise them in the semi-nimble army that is BA?

For context, my list and reg. opponents in the spoiler.

Spoiler:

1500pt TAC Friendly List
Librarian in TA w/ Combi-Plasma
10 Man Tac Squad w/ PG, ML. Sgt. w/ Combi-Plasma & PF
Sanguinary Priest w/ Power Sword

5 Sternguard w/ Combi-Melta in Drop Pod

2x 5 Man Ass.Sqd w/ MG in Las/Plas Razorback w/ Dozer Blade
Sanguinary Priest w/ Power Sword in each

2x 5 Man Scout Sqd w/ Snipers, ML & Camo Cloaks

Typhoon Speeder w/ HB & Typhoon ML

2x Land Speeder w/ HF & MM

Regular opponents are Space Wolves, Orks and Daemons, sometimes IG, Eldar and Chaos Marines. Generally no flyers except FMC

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Ian Pickstock




Nottingham

Baals are far better than speeders. Not only can they outflank and hit a vehicle's side armour with its twin-linked AC, but being front armour 13 can be very tricky to deal with when it does arrive.

Compare this to how often speeders will get their points back. The rest of your list already has plenty of melta, so you don't need two more expensive multi-meltas on glass frames.

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The best BA fast attack imo is MM attack bikes with FNP. These things pack the nastiest heavy in the game for anti-tank work and are hard to eliminate.

Speeders can only take a fraction of the abuse of FNP attack bikes.
   
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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

MM attack bikes are excellent. And they not only score in Scouring (which speeders do too), but they're also Denial units the rest of the time.

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Ian Pickstock




Nottingham

MM bikes will drop like a bitch the moment that plasma or melta sneeze at them. You're talking 50 points for something that will die as easily as a tactical marine vs a huge amount of anti MEQ firepower.


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Irked Blood Angel Scout with Combat Knife




Planet Baal

MM bikes whit priest have 2 wound, T5 each 3+, FnP and 5+ cover that's hard to kill.

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Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant



Alexandria, VA

Is there a reason you are looking at Fast Attack over Heavy Support? I think the HS choices might be better with your core list. Some AV13 would be nice.

I love Attack Bikes, they have a lot of synergy with BA units. But I run them with a Jumper army.
   
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Irked Blood Angel Scout with Combat Knife




Boston

I think attack bikes are one of the best units in the BA Arsenal. With 3+ armor/5+ jink saves all the time, and 2 wounds they're tough - though it doesn't look like your army is built to give them FNP, which they almost always get.

I would think that Baals might be a better choice for you, though - it might take some of the anti-armor firepower off of your two razorbacks. I would also consider the dakka predator - 100 points for autocannon and heavy bolter sponsons is pretty good.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Canada

While i like Attack Bikers, I think you're rocking enough Melta.

I'd go with TL AC Baals, the option to outflank them makes them pretty serious threats against the enemy backfield.


 
   
 
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