Around when does GW usually raise their prices?

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**spacewolf407**

I think its around summer time but not completely sure. Looking to buy some models now before they go up.

**angel of ecstasy**

Last year it was June or July, but this year there's a rumoured April price hike. Last I checked anyway.

**Harriticus**

April. Through July. Usually about 10 to 15 percent.

**Sigvatr**

10-15% on average, Chaos got some more severe hikes though.

Character models went from ~15€ to ~20€.

**Hordini**

Whenever they think they can get away with it!

Also, what everyone else said. Usually summer or spring.

**BryllCream**

10-15% is an exageration. Were Leman Russes £13 in 2005?

**Lorizael**

It's June. Every. Single. Year.

It's the end and start of their new financial year.

**Ravenous D**

Storm ravens jumped by $10 to $15 last year. Infantry is on the list Im guessing, full circle for imperial guard players paying +100% in only 4 years.

**RatBot**

BryllCream wrote:
10-15% is an exageration. Were Leman Russes £13 in 2005?

He did say "on average".

Orks used to be $35 for 16,or about $2.18/model. Now it's 11 for $29.00, or $2.64/model. 46 cent increase per model or an increase of 21%, whereas a tactical squad used to be $35.00 for 10 and is now $37.25 for 10, an increase of 6.4%. The average % increase between the two is 13.7%, which falls in between 10 to 15%.

EDIT: whoops, for some reason I though the Orks came with 10 + 1 Nob, but apparently it's 10 models according to the GW site, so $2.90/model, so 72 cents per model, or a whopping 33% increase, so averaging the Tactical Squad and the Ork Boyz, that's actually an almost 20% increase. However, the Ork set is a bit of an extreme example, so 10 to 15% seems accurate to me. No doubt someone will whip a chart after this year's increase and then someone with the time and inclination can figure out the average difference.

**Grimtuff**

BryllCream wrote:
10-15% is an exageration. Were Leman Russes £13 in 2005?

No but Imperial Guardsmen were £18 for 20 until 2008. Then they were £12 for 10, then £15, then £18. A 100% price rise in 5years.

See, I can cherry pick examples to support my strawman too.

**BryllCream**

Ravenous D wrote:
Storm ravens jumped by $10 to $15 last year. Infantry is on the list Im guessing, full circle for imperial guard players paying +100% in only 4 years.

Picking one or two products to make a point about a range of hundreds is pretty weak. There have been statistical analisies of the cost of armies over the years. At the lowest range, iirc, necron went down about 1% below inflation. The average was, again iirc, about 7% above inflation over a 6 year period.

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Grimtuff wrote:
BryllCream wrote:
10-15% is an exageration. Were Leman Russes £13 in 2005?

No but Imperial Guardsmen were £18 for 20 until 2008. Then they were £12 for 10, then £15, then £18. A 100% price rise in 5years.

See, I can cherry pick examples to support my strawman too.

That represents ~16% price increase per annum, this is at the upper scale of your estimate. Now compare to the rest of a typical IG list:

Chimeras were not £11. Russes were not £15.50. Command squads were not £7.50.

Instead of "cherry picking" of your own, try using actual representative data. The comparative costs for year x vs 2013, then account for inflation over that period.

**Kingsley**

BryllCream wrote:
Instead of "cherry picking" of your own, try using actual representative data. The comparative costs for year x vs 2013, then account for inflation over that period.

When I did this for 2004, I found that prices had gone down for my army. Not what the Internet consensus would like you to believe!

**Breotan**

BryllCream wrote:
10-15% is an exageration. Were Leman Russes £13 in 2005?

Terrain went up about 30% before 6th hit.

**agustin**

Kingsley wrote:
BryllCream wrote:
Instead of "cherry picking" of your own, try using actual representative data. The comparative costs for year x vs 2013, then account for inflation over that period.

When I did this for 2004, I found that prices had gone down for my army.

Did you forget to add: "because many of the items I chose for comparison were metal had been redone in plastic." to the end of that sentence?

**RatBot**

Hell, I'll do it myself right now since I just found the 2004 Price List, straight from GW's catalog.

My Space Marine army was:
-Terminator Captain (Lysander, but he didn't have a model then so I'll just substitute a generic Termie Captain).
2004 Price: $12.00 USD. 2012 Price: $19.25 USD

-Chaplain
2004 Price: $8 USD 2012 Price: $15 USD

-1 Terminator Squad
2004 Price: $30 USD. 2012 Price: $50 USD

-1 Veteran Squad (used a Tactical Squad Box)
-2 Tactical Squads (1 with Missile and Flamer, 1 with Plasma Gun and Lascannon. Used to have to purchase Plasma Gun seperately, still have to purchase Lascannon Seperately).
2004 Price: $30/box of Marines. $9.00 for two Marines with Special Weapons. $8.00 for Lascannon Marine. Total: $107.00.

2012 Price: $37.25/box of Marines. No longer need separate special weapon marines (IIRC). Still need separate Lascannon Marine who is $14.00 now. Total: $125.75, and total lot contains two fewer models.

-3 Rhinos
2004 Price: $75.00. 2012 Price: $111.75

-2 Boxes of Assault Marines
2004 Price: $50.00 2012 Price: $66.00

-1 Predator
2004: $35.00 2012: $57.75

-1 Whirlwind
same as Predator, IIRC. Interestingly, it's not in the 2004 catalog, but it is currently the same price as a Predator.

-1 Land Raider
2004 Price: $50.00 2012 Price: $74.25

TOTAL:
2004 Price: $402.00
Adjusted for Inflation (2012 Dollars, according to the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics): $488.60

2012 Actual Price: $577.50

AND the 2012 version contains zero pewter miniatures and actually two fewer mins than the 2004 version. Furthermore, IIRC every kit in this list other than the characters is a plastic kit. So... there you go.

**Ravenous D**

agustin wrote:
Kingsley wrote:
BryllCream wrote:
Instead of "cherry picking" of your own, try using actual representative data. The comparative costs for year x vs 2013, then account for inflation over that period.

When I did this for 2004, I found that prices had gone down for my army.

Did you forget to add: "because many of the items I chose for comparison were metal had been redone in plastic." to the end of that sentence?

Yeah he does that, seems to ignore facts completely and not admit their exsistence

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BryllCream wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
Storm ravens jumped by $10 to $15 last year. Infantry is on the list Im guessing, full circle for imperial guard players paying +100% in only 4 years.

Picking one or two products to make a point about a range of hundreds is pretty weak. There have been statistical analisies of the cost of armies over the years. At the lowest range, iirc, necron went down about 1% below inflation. The average was, again iirc, about 7% above inflation over a 6 year period.
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Ffs... dont even try and justify it.

That was one of the worst examples, most things jumped by $5 to $10 dollars.

Wraithlords were $45 3 years ago now they are $55.50, same model no box change $10 extra dollars, I just looked at a a space marine army that I was going to do and its $150 more expensive then the year before.

**Orktavius**

RatBot wrote:
BryllCream wrote:
10-15% is an exageration. Were Leman Russes £13 in 2005?

He did say "on average".

Orks used to be $35 for 16,or about $2.18/model. Now it's 11 for $29.00, or $2.64/model. 46 cent increase per model or an increase of 21%, whereas a tactical squad used to be $35.00 for 10 and is now $37.25 for 10, an increase of 6.4%. The average % increase between the two is 13.7%, which falls in between 10 to 15%.

EDIT: whoops, for some reason I though the Orks came with 10 + 1 Nob, but apparently it's 10 models according to the GW site, so $2.90/model, so 72 cents per model, or a whopping 33% increase, so averaging the Tactical Squad and the Ork Boyz, that's actually an almost 20% increase. However, the Ork set is a bit of an extreme example, so 10 to 15% seems accurate to me. No doubt someone will whip a chart after this year's increase and then someone with the time and inclination can figure out the average difference.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the old 16 ork kit came with just slugga/choppa arms or shoota arms with no extra weapon bits or the bits for making Nobs. If you wanted a nob or a big shoota/rokkit/burna (which you could take at the time as the new box came out when the current book did) you were required to buy an $18-$20 metal miniature.....now instead you get EVERY possible option for the ork boyz and the nob in one kit. It's not that your example is an extreme example it's more that it's an utterly inappropriate example that like comparing the price of apples to the price of banana's.

**BryllCream**

RatBot wrote:
Hell, I'll do it myself right now since I just found the 2004 Price List, straight from GW's catalog.

My Space Marine army was:
-Terminator Captain (Lysander, but he didn't have a model then so I'll just substitute a generic Termie Captain).
2004 Price: $12.00 USD. 2012 Price: $19.25 USD

-Chaplain
2004 Price: $8 USD 2012 Price: $15 USD

-1 Terminator Squad
2004 Price: $30 USD. 2012 Price: $50 USD

-1 Veteran Squad (used a Tactical Squad Box)
-2 Tactical Squads (1 with Missile and Flamer, 1 with Plasma Gun and Lascannon. Used to have to purchase Plasma Gun seperately, still have to purchase Lascannon Seperately).
2004 Price: $30/box of Marines. $9.00 for two Marines with Special Weapons. $8.00 for Lascannon Marine. Total: $107.00.

2012 Price: $37.25/box of Marines. No longer need separate special weapon marines (IIRC). Still need separate Lascannon Marine who is $14.00 now. Total: $125.75, and total lot contains two fewer models.

-3 Rhinos
2004 Price: $75.00. 2012 Price: $111.75

-2 Boxes of Assault Marines
2004 Price: $50.00 2012 Price: $66.00

-1 Predator
2004: $35.00 2012: $57.75

-1 Whirlwind
same as Predator, IIRC. Interestingly, it's not in the 2004 catalog, but it is currently the same price as a Predator.

-1 Land Raider
2004 Price: $50.00 2012 Price: $74.25

TOTAL:
2004 Price: $402.00
Adjusted for Inflation (2012 Dollars, according to the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics): $488.60

2012 Actual Price: $577.50

AND the 2012 version contains zero pewter miniatures and actually two fewer mins than the 2004 version. Furthermore, IIRC every kit in this list other than the characters is a plastic kit. So... there you go.

So about 2% above inflation. Cheers.

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Ravenous D wrote:

Ffs... dont even try and justify it.

That was one of the worst examples, most things jumped by $5 to $10 dollars.

Wraithlords were $45 3 years ago now they are $55.50, same model no box change $10 extra dollars, I just looked at a a space marine army that I was going to do and its $150 more expensive then the year before.

See the army-wide comparison above.

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agustin wrote:
Kingsley wrote:
BryllCream wrote:
Instead of "cherry picking" of your own, try using actual representative data. The comparative costs for year x vs 2013, then account for inflation over that period.

When I did this for 2004, I found that prices had gone down for my army.

Did you forget to add: "because many of the items I chose for comparison were metal had been redone in plastic." to the end of that sentence?

So if something goes from metal to finecast, it's a price increase. But if something goes from metal to plastic, it doesn't count?

**Howard A Treesong**

Metal to plastic is a different model, a new sculpt. Metal to Finecast in many cases is the same product being made in a different material. It's fairer to track the cost of the same product over time, if a figure is resculpted and rereleased in the middle it's not the same product is it? That's why it's not very fair to say that plastic Space Marines have gone from 33p in 1988 to £2.20 in 2012 which is nearly a 600% increase in just over 20 years, because the sculpts are entirely different. You can only fairly track the current marines back to when they were released in 3rd edition at 10 for £10.

So yes, when something goes from metal to Finecast it's a price increase, it's the same end product using a different casting material. When something goes from metal to plastic, it's a new model altogether. You might not like the new price, but it is at lease an entirely new model. When things are made in Finecast instead of metal, it's the same model with a much higher price attached, the only difference is the crappy casting material which is saving GW money in production but which they claim is so wonderful it deserves a higher RRP.

**treslibras**

BryllCream wrote:
RatBot wrote:
Hell, I'll do it myself right now since I just found the 2004 Price List, straight from GW's catalog.

*snip*

TOTAL:
2004 Price: $402.00
Adjusted for Inflation (2012 Dollars, according to the US Bureau of Labor and Statistics): $488.60

2012 Actual Price: $577.50

So about 20% above inflation. Cheers.

Highlighted that for you, and corrected your statement (rounded up). Cheers.

**BryllCream**

True. Finecast skewers the results anyhow, there are armies that can do without any finecast whatsoever (IG), while on the other end Eldar are completely dependant on them, so their cost will have gone up marketly.

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treslibras wrote:

Highlighted that for you, and corrected your statement (rounded up). Cheers.

It was pretty obvious I was referring to per annum. Stop being silly.

**BolingbrokeIV**

Anyone working in retail should know prices are going up everywhere now.

**treslibras**

BryllCream wrote:
True. Finecast skewers the results anyhow, there are armies that can do without any finecast whatsoever (IG), while on the other end Eldar are completely dependant on them, so their cost will have gone up marketly.

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treslibras wrote:

Highlighted that for you, and corrected your statement (rounded up). Cheers.

It was pretty obvious I was referring to per annum. Stop being silly.

Naah, love to be.