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Hey everyone I realise this is a very opinionated topic and maybe some people dont like these types of threads, I however enjoy reading peoples replies and thoughts .

So as the title say's which armies in 8th edition are currently shining and could be considered top tier/best.

I have just recently orderd some skaven stuff due to loving the models and not having read the book yet hoping they are doing well .

No no no! why do not people get it. There is no best!
mostly id say charriot themed armies and cannons are beast. but can easily be countered by vanguard or heavy toughness armies, needless to say theres allways a way to counter another army. thats what i like about fantazy, its very balanced compered to 40k

Phatonic's kind of right. Unlike 40k, there are no clearly "broken" armies in WHFB. If we did tier armies, there would be the standard A, B and C, but there's also be an "S" rank, where stuff that is "broken" goes, like is done in other competitive metagames. While in 40K armies like Grey Knights would be considered "S", there's nothing like that in Fantasy.

The thing that separates them is not so much which army is the most deadly, but how many ways you can play that army and feasibly win or how forgiving the army is. Bretonnia, for example, are considered one of the worst armies at the moment, but even they can beat "high-tier" armies. The difference is that they'll normally be restricted to one list to do so and you will have to play flawlessly to win.

Rest assured though, that Skaven are considered one of the best armies in WHFB at the moment. They can reliably take on any other army, can run a variety of different lists and styles with equally good success and will allow you to have a few hiccups and still win. Which is good, as with skaven, you're not unlikely to blow up one of your own units!

I realise that there may not be a best army and as stated very opinionated, however some people may have a army they think is best or are doing well and I find it entertaining to see these opinions.

And good to hear skaven should do well

Brets on the other hand can easily take out stuff like hydras with cheap bowmen with fire arrows and still have loads of horse men, skaven taking the Masses and masses of slaves and clanrats WoC taking their stubborn and never dying warriors to the fight. the beastmen doing the charriot rush along with the tomb kings. empire doing its best to fitt all the three! and ogres being ogres eating wverything they can see with their ogre impact hits. dark elves being the shooty and sinister while the highelves are the one who go up front and allways strike first. While the wood elves hide and shoot you down. inbefore the dwarfs getting a good shot at you with all their cannons and taking the forrests down. vampires summoning the hordes and the untouchble and the use of shadow magic. lizzardmen having their mighty slann mages along with the mass of poison attacks and cold blood.
but the last and the one whos allmost forgotten. the Chaos dwarfs the warbeasts, the cannons and their own version of dragon ogres ooh no you dont want to face these who can deny you to cast any magic at all!
and the deamons of the four gods, they are just sick, seducing, questioning and crazy what else be there to add?

I'm going to give an answer and I really don't mean to offend. These types of questions are not welcome on the fantasy forums if you want to play "what army is the best?" I suggest you take it to the adolescent moronic forums above the fantasy ones. Fantasy is very balanced, Skaven are considered to be a more forgiving army their book is written well and they have a lot of good units and options and they are fun to play with and against.

Golly Hargus56... my buttons were pushed at the mention of the word 'tiers'.... but I never thought I would see the day when someone would be as honest as you... kudos.

"Hey everyone I realise this is a very opinionated topic and maybe some people dont like these types of threads, I however enjoy reading peoples replies and thoughts . " As noted its not meant to offend anyone or be a offensive topic, it is simply one I enjoy seeing peoples views or opinions, and from my experience many other people like to get involved in this type of thread.

Like with most forum threads, dont like it, dont read it, dont reply to it. if its not your cup of tea.

People have read it and they have replied.

 marielle wrote:
People have read it and they have replied.

Indeed they have, the comparative merits of what they've said are variable.

OP, 8th favors Warmachines, large blocks of infantry and strong magic users, it does not favor cavalry, small elite units, skirmishers or large monsters.

Empire, Skaven, Lizardmen and Warriors of Chaos all seem to be strong in tournament settings, I'm not sure as a WoC player myself, how the new armybook has affected the army, I've not yet purchased it. I also play a monoGod (slaanesh, weakest of the 4 in the last book) background driven army, so I've not pushed the army to it's boundaries in terms of strengths.




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Hargus56 wrote:
I'm going to give an answer and I really don't mean to offend. These types of questions are not welcome on the fantasy forums if you want to play "what army is the best?" I suggest you take it to the adolescent moronic forums above the fantasy ones. Fantasy is very balanced, Skaven are considered to be a more forgiving army their book is written well and they have a lot of good units and options and they are fun to play with and against.

This is just not true, ask any Wood Elf player about how well their army holds up these days. Poor buggers have been languishing for years.

I know I'm going to catch flak, but the edge is still with about 5 pre-8th edition armies (Skaven, Lizardmen, Daemons, Dark Elves, and possibly Dwarves). .

For 3 reasons:

*access to a lot of non-8th edition non-nerfed magic items
*access to incredibly strong magic lores, magic boosting abilities, or magic denial
*undercosted units

These armies can still bring a large amount of pre-8th edition "Cheese" to the battlefield.

I think the revision to the WoC book (which use to be part of the top 5 club) shows the adjustment to 8th. Please do not misunderstand, these armies are not unbeatable, however they do have many advantages that the current 8th edition books do not.

Skaven, Lizardmen and Ogres are the 3 stand-out strongest army books at the moment.

Listwise... for Ogres the Gutstar + Maneaters + spammed Mournfang and Ironblasters is very strong and it basically plays itself. You can also get round the only weakness of the book by taking the Runemaw.

For Skaven, the current hotness is the Bell deathstar. Lots of Stormvermin, BSB hiding in the 2nd rank and 2 assassins in there- one with the D3 wounds weapon and the Potion of Strength and the other with the Sword of Anti-Heroes. Throw in toys like the Doom Rocket and Brass Orb, then for rares add in Abomb, Doomwheel and WLC (you only really need one of each, being allowed to take more is icing on the cake). Part of the reason this list does so well is that it can trample other metagame threats, like Ogres.

For Lizardmen, there are several options- the only one that isn't top notch in terms of competitiveness is the Life Slann + Temple Guard + 2 big blocks of saurus. One of the best however is the Jack Armstrong "Zulu Dawn" approach of masses and masses of small inexpensive units, that just whittles the enemy down, doesn't give up any points and frustrates the opponent into making a mistake at which point you pounce. Alternatively, a Light Slann backed up by SKrox units is very powerful and gives you combat options.

Top Tier:

- Dwarf corner fortress
- Double Slann
- Skaven Deathstars + underpriced slaves spam
- Teclis
- Ogre Deathstars
- Dark Elves w/ Hydras / Cauldron

Mid Tier:

- Goblins!
- most other stuff

Bottom Tier:

- Wood Elves