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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 19:52:05
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Hi
I play Ariadna.
I am working out my current fluff , and would like your help renaming the current troops.
For my fluff , I am working that Ariadna is an extension of the british commonwealth , UK , Aus , NZ , Indian , some Polynesian and Canadian forces.
This allows me to keep the HIghlanders/SAS but what other Iconic units from these armies would swap backgrounds for current units?
James
thanks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 21:12:20
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm not sure i can help with this but do you have Campaign: Paradiso? There is a Dawn Spaceship Colonial Troops Sectorial List that might work better for you. Check out page 21 if you have the book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 00:00:30
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Nimble Pistolier
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I would point out that Aus, NZ, India, Polynesia and Canada are all part of PanO... not entirely sure what they would be doing as Ariadnan Forces
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 01:54:49
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yeh, that stuff is pretty much written in stone which is why I can't really help here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 08:09:53
Subject: Re:Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Fixture of Dakka
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Your going to have to work within the left and right limit of the Ariadna faction. If your going to add in those other troops, you might have an alliance, but they arn't honestly a faction choice that you can add in there for what you want to do in a "Legal" Infinity game setting. I use legal pretty loose here, in terms of "By the book" play of the game.
A suggestion would be, (from me) along the links of a treaty organized list- then maybe add them in there as an occasional list on special occasions. You're going to have to run it by your opponents/ game group/ club, but in cases such as I have planned out, I have the Ariadna, and the Haqqislam on a planet fighting it out, and then the Combined shows up and starts in on everyone. ( had to have a reason for them to be there, this to me was the obvious choice.)
The two factions are on deck, and have to put thier resource fights, and territorial disputes on hold for a little while while they have to deal with the combined threat.
THIS, to me is the essence of Infinity.
NOW I can go on and play with any of the three and call it a day, or see if the group wants in on a campaign style of play, where people can now go on and have some cross faction alliances, and use thier factions, expand thier units, use the territorial lists, or what ever you come up with.
I would think that the game lends itself to campaign play, and an army like Ariadna seems to be a straight up grunt army, where they don't have a bunch of lickies and chewies in tech, but they make up for in the AP and hit and run and quick strike stuff.
On a planet where they would be competing for resources, I'd go along the likes of adding in some of PanO's heavy, tech, territorials, and across the board attack stuff. THEN you can have two armies at once, and in a pinch or special case, add in the use of them both against someone else.
Any reason to buy more figures is a good one, though, so have fun whatever you decide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 08:15:07
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Camouflaged Zero
Where the sun crosses the field of blood.
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Didn't PanO rise up as a superpower after dawn was sent? Or am I totally mistaken here?
If PanO didn't rise until after Dawn's disaster, then it's possible that some of these countries also had troops on board.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 09:33:14
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Fixture of Dakka
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Dawn's troop choices are already listed in Campaign: Paradiso.
Also, if the OP is wanting to use troops from multiple factions as Grot kind of outlined, although I don't think that's his goal, then he can do it easily. The original Mercs rules completely fit that purpose and unless I missed a really big rewrite that is still a legitimate army choice.
So I say see if C: P p21 or Infinity p131 solve your problem. If on the other hand you just want to rewrite the established fluff then just go for it.
I would say though, altering fluff is not generally something that is well thought of. You probably won't get much help from the fans, if any. You actually might get more help in the general Dakka Fiction sub-forum. Not that I'm telling you to leave, I just think that you'll find more help for that sort of project from those who frequent that forum. That might not be your goal although that's how it appears to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 15:19:09
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Hacking Shang Jí
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I wouldn't set anything in stone and stymie any creativity. If you want it to work something out then I'm sure you can find some way to do it. It's entirely possible that at some time right after then colonization of Dawn there was an effort to keep together British citizens in some way similar to the commonwealth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 19:46:43
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Gawd...
I am not asking about swapping faction lists about..
how would you rename current ariadan troops to iconic units of commonwealth nations....ie renaming kazaks...anzacs? what canadian name or indian name would you use.....
I have no intention of mix and matching the faction lists....just the fluff behind my current units.
metros to RMCP etc Automatically Appended Next Post: Nerm86 wrote:I would point out that Aus, NZ, India, Polynesia and Canada are all part of PanO... not entirely sure what they would be doing as Ariadnan Forces
but they are also part of the commonwealth , and trust me the Aussies arent going to get much of a Cricket game from the Knights Templers...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 20:32:13
Subject: Re:Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Leaping Dog Warrior
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the England is actually a part of Ariadnia. I think the nations part of Ariadna are France, Russia, United States, and Scotland. The SAS model is a play on words, meaning Special Ariadnian Services, and not Special Air Service.
So anything commonwealth wouldn't really have a place as part of Ariadnian Forces according to the current fluff.
As for renaming stuff goes, I'm afraid I'm not much of a help. :/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 21:34:17
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Synthetik wrote:Hi
For my fluff , I am working that Ariadna is an extension of the british commonwealth , UK , Aus , NZ , Indian , some Polynesian and Canadian forces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 22:07:15
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Nimble Pistolier
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right, so you dont care that it is not, and has nothing to do with, the british commonwealth but you want to make it that way. so you are rewriting fluff...
Kazaks could be anzacs but the models dont really fit and there are currently no Aussie infinity models. Polynesians could be the Scouts (elite fighters) and well the crocman model is really ugly anyway.
If you brought this into a club i think you would probably face quite a bit of resistance and i think that in general people will turn their nose up at it because it goes against the established fluff. It might just be easier if you make PanO??
having said all that it is a made up background for a made up faction to a made up game so do whatever the hell you want. just dont expect people to agree with it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 22:42:03
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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Wow, a lot of meaningless anger at the guy just for wanting to do a unique theme for his army. Nobody gives my mate stick for having his Space Marines be Scottish Gaelic inspired.
I'd guess that the easiest thing would be to try and replace the non-Caledonian sectorial flavours with other nationalities. However, that might be easier said than done. I'm thinking that the French models could be made Indians with the appropriate paint jobs. USAriadna seems like they could be Anzac - tough frontier types are all a bit of a sameness when you squint hard enough. The Russians are more difficult though. Africa?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 23:48:41
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Nerm86 wrote:right, so you dont care that it is not, and has nothing to do with, the british commonwealth but you want to make it that way. so you are rewriting fluff...
Kazaks could be anzacs but the models dont really fit and there are currently no Aussie infinity models. Polynesians could be the Scouts (elite fighters) and well the crocman model is really ugly anyway.
If you brought this into a club i think you would probably face quite a bit of resistance and i think that in general people will turn their nose up at it because it goes against the established fluff. It might just be easier if you make PanO??
having said all that it is a made up background for a made up faction to a made up game so do whatever the hell you want. just dont expect people to agree with it
blimey , first of all , my club doesnt give two munkeys about what models we use. I have played infinty there with bloody lego models, so to be honest you rant is a bit moot.
Also seeing as how as a club we like ideas , embrace difference , we arent stuck for ideas...
we have 4 Ariadna players so I want to differentiate my guys from the others forces.
I dont expect you to agree with , I was just putting it out there for others input.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Charles Rampant wrote:Wow, a lot of meaningless anger at the guy just for wanting to do a unique theme for his army. Nobody gives my mate stick for having his Space Marines be Scottish Gaelic inspired.
I'd guess that the easiest thing would be to try and replace the non-Caledonian sectorial flavours with other nationalities. However, that might be easier said than done. I'm thinking that the French models could be made Indians with the appropriate paint jobs. USAriadna seems like they could be Anzac - tough frontier types are all a bit of a sameness when you squint hard enough. The Russians are more difficult though. Africa?
cheers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/18 23:56:32
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Nimble Pistolier
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I would hardly call what i said a rant. Clearly i didnt know you club was so open to those ideas, i know that a lot of clubs here are not.
Good luck with your project
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/19 01:10:04
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Fixture of Dakka
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Having the Metros as RCMP (without the bloody hat) would rock.
I might have to steal that idea, once I get started on my FRRM.
Canada doesn't have many special forces type. A few are Scottish or Irish in background, so you could even use your Caledonians as Blackwatch or others. Automatically Appended Next Post: Personally, I would have the Muls with the missiles as the 2nd Field Artillery. Was my gramp's unit during WW2. Automatically Appended Next Post: Loup-garous can be escapees from Freejack... :-(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/19 02:23:37
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Fixture of Dakka
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I hope nothing I said was taken the wrong way. I was genuinely trying to give the OP the best advice in his situation. The fact is the the one thing fluff writers tend to agree on is that changing the established fluff isn't a great idea for most purposes. I thought it was worth pointing that out in case there was resistance or lack of support for the idea. CDK's post was good, taking the idea and shapping it to fit into what CB have written.
Also, my suggestions for swapping faction lists, however it wasn't your question, were attempts to give you lists which better represent what you are trying to achieve. There is no need to be rude about that since I was trying to help you.
The point is, I was being helpful, if you saw that as something else then that's a shame.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/19 03:26:18
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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Thinking about this... wouldn't you prefer to use the Kazak stats but other ww2 type figs and rename them Tommys?
Scouts could be substituted by Indian troops. Or Natives regiment. Those guys are wicked cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/19 14:32:07
Subject: Modifying Faction Backgrounds
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Hacking Shang Jí
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I really wish I could help out more because I love fluff work but I just don't know Brit units and stuff.
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