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Had two issues come up in a recent game.

1: Fast attack choices are scoring, so I ended up winning the game with my zooming flyer within 3" of an objective. This seemed kind of janky to me, but I couldn't find any reason it's not legit. Are zooming flyers scoring in The Scouring mission?

2: FA choices still scoring, my buddy takes Necron Scarab swarms. Swarms are specifically prevented from scoring in the BRB (p123). Are FA choices that are swarms scoring in The Scouring mission?

1. Yes, they're scoring but you measure distance from the hull.

2. No. Vehicles have an exception but Swarms don't.

1. Definitely yes; provided that the actual hull (which does include the wings) is within 3" of the objective.
2. I would say no, because Fast Recon makes an exception for vehicles, but not for swarms.

For number 1, Flyers are in the FAST FOC slot, so they are scoring. However they do not have the "Infantry" rule, so they can't deny (contest). So if your non-infantry scoring unit and an opponents scoring troop unit are both within 3" of the objective, he gets it.
On number 2, the BRB on pg 123 is pretty specific in calling out a unit with the "swarms" USR as never being a scoring unit (nor a denial unit) .
So they may be 'Fast Units' but even in The Scouring the Swarms USR negates their becoming scoring unit.

1. Yes, as long as the hull not base is within 3" of the objective.
2. No, they lack the exception to normal rules that vehicles are given.

Considering the bottom of most flyers are more than 3" tall, is it correct that the size of the objective really matters here?

In other words, if we use say a coin and a DE Razorwing is right on top of it, the Razorwing hull will be physically more than 3" away.

However, if we used a comm array, for example, as the objective, then the Razorwing model could actually get within 3".

Is that right?

Yes, you could also place the objective on a hill or rock pile about 2" - 3" high(I think a ruins would work as well, but not sure) to get it higher in the air.

Yep. If I'm using a flyer in the appropriate force org slot in either Big Guns or Scouring, I always make a point of placing as many objectives as I can on top of hills or on the second or third floor of ruins, where my flyer can be in 3" easily.

Or I'm careful NOT to place objectives high up when I'm not using such a flyer but my opponent is.

dkellyj wrote:
For number 1, Flyers are in the FAST FOC slot, so they are scoring. However they do not have the "Infantry" rule, so they can't deny (contest). So if your non-infantry scoring unit and an opponents scoring troop unit are both within 3" of the objective, he gets it.

So if 2 flyers (yours and the opponents) capture an objective, do you both get the VP's since no one is contesting it?

If there are no Denial units within 3"? Yes.

dkellyj wrote:For number 1, Flyers are in the FAST FOC slot, so they are scoring. However they do not have the "Infantry" rule, so they can't deny (contest). So if your non-infantry scoring unit and an opponents scoring troop unit are both within 3" of the objective, he gets it.
On number 2, the BRB on pg 123 is pretty specific in calling out a unit with the "swarms" USR as never being a scoring unit (nor a denial unit) .
So they may be 'Fast Units' but even in The Scouring the Swarms USR negates their becoming scoring unit.

Not all flyers are fast attack, such as necron flyers.

clively wrote:Considering the bottom of most flyers are more than 3" tall, is it correct that the size of the objective really matters here?

In other words, if we use say a coin and a DE Razorwing is right on top of it, the Razorwing hull will be physically more than 3" away.

However, if we used a comm array, for example, as the objective, then the Razorwing model could actually get within 3".

Is that right?

The size of the objective could matter, but if you look at the objective rules it does state to discuss with your opponent where to measure to and from on any objective.