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So I played two games yesterday, last one being Tau and Dark angels allies vs Nids.

I completely annihilated everything with this army list
- Commander R'alai
- Fire warriors 6x2
- XV-8 x2 with twin missile pods
- XV-9 x3
fusion cascade 2
phased ion gun 2
pulse subminition rifle 2
shield generator 3
- hammerhead x2
railgun
disruption pod
multi tracker

Dark angels
- librarian on a bike (useless)
- tactical squad w plasma cannon
- ravenwing speeders x2
typhoon launcher
heavy bolter

vs

Tyranids
Hive tyrant with tyrant guard
Biovore
Zoanthrope
Deathleaper
Doom of malan'tai
3 Warriors
20 Gaunts
Trygon (the guy with assault 5-5-18 wep)
20 Termagaunts
10+- Gorgoyles
carnifex drop podding in a spore

something like that

except for one thing, the doom of malant'ai and that's fair to me. What's not fair to me is saying that the doom of malant'ai can run and then leech life and then cataclysm. If states that the leech life (?) is used in the shooting phase, if its used in the shooting phase you can't possibly run before you use it?! then I asked him is it a shooting attack, a psychic power or? then he said its just something, its not a shooting attack or a psychic power- is it a "special attack" then? used in the special phase...
anyway I just said well allright lets see what would have happened if you could, then we did, he leeched of 4 marines and I just shot down the doom with 1 hammerheads, 2 XV-8 battlesuits and my last XV-9 battlesuit. Then he'd had one tyranid warrior wth 1 wound in the corner of the map saying he won the dam game as he had 3 victory pts.. I was well aware of the warrior as I shot down half the squad the previous turn.
he had two tyranids left on the board one warrior with 1 wound and 1 doom of malantai, if he didnt run with the malantai he wouldnt have leeched my marines and obviously if I thought we were playing seriously after he already surrendered, I would have shot down the scoring unit and I wouldnt have said allright lets see what would have happened and just pumped all my shots into a non scoring unit, I'm not that stupid, he even surrendered in turn 3 saying lets just call it and started playing "idc mode".
anyway from the tyranids tactica it says that a tyrant guard and a hive tyrant is 2 victory pts and I also had first blood so thats 3 pts. the primary objectives is 3 pts, so If I would be stupid enough not to shoot a scoring unit with 1 hammerhead 10-1 railgun, 2 XV-8 battlesuits, 1XV-9 battlesuit and Commander Ra'l'ai could he possibly win with that after having 1 warrior left on the field? I didnt even know they were synapse creatures..

so whats your thoughts guys, can the doom of OP'ai run and then leech life and what would you have done? I just can't stand people trying to cheat their way to a win when they give up in round 3, having two models left and not spending more than 10 minutes making an armylist. he even jumped the rules for feed, rage, synapse range, lash whip, bonesword stating they were alot better than they actually are and that they negated invulnerable saves and just dropping what would suit him.. plus some other stuff I can't even remember.

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SkrullaFraTryll wrote:
obviously if I thought we were playing seriously after he already surrendered ... he even surrendered in turn 3 saying lets just call it and started playing "idc mode".


If someone surrenders, confirm that they are serious then end the game there. For the rules on VP, read the main rulebook for the game type you are playing.

Hive tyrant is usually worth 1 VP in VP matches or 0 in objectives matches unless he is also the warlord in which case he is worth +1 in all games where Slay the Warlord is an additional objective.
   
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Thanks, I guess sometimes common sense isn't common sense enough
yes well I guess he was just worth 1 point as he was the warlord but I checked and victory points for frags wasnt in the rules for mission 5 emperors will, i know purge the alien would. still malantai would leech before he runs therefore 2 less powers and with 1 wound I wouldnt shoot everythin at it.. I guess it just leaves a really bad taste in my mouth when I have to look after cheats all the time, Im about having fun. But thanks for your opinion I really appreciate it

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Dooms life leech is done at the beginning of the shooting phase, if he had run the doom it is no longer the beginning so RAW he cannot use the life leech thing. Also cataclysm is done in the movement phase iirc

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MarkyMark wrote:
Dooms life leech is done at the beginning of the shooting phase, if he had run the doom it is no longer the beginning so RAW he cannot use the life leech thing. Also cataclysm is done in the movement phase iirc


Cataclysm is the Doom's stock psychic power. It is classified as a psychic shooting attack, therefore cannot be cast if the Doom opted to run in the shooting phase. Also you are right about life leech - it happens at the beginning of the shooting phase. So the doom can use his normal movement to get close, but cannot run to get closer for it to go off. Running the doom is typically a bonehead move unless there are no viable targets for cataclysm or he is low on wounds and needs to get closer to the enemy -- but he won't be doing any offensive moves that turn.

Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it. 
   
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Thanks so much guys, it' all quite clear now and I'm really happy to see exactly what i'm facing

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