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Hi,

Just wanted to check so we get it right in our games. We are a bit unsure how they work with at what time you use it. Say I get charged and i want to issue a challenge to my opponents character, does the MSS go off before or after you move into challenge? Also lets say it's after you move the challenge and he fails the test does he still hit his unit even though he's in a challenge?
Sorry if this has been brought up before and I missed it.
Make a huge difference if i would liek to use them or not

No he wouldn't hit his unit just lose attacks. Challenges are separate.

It's a complicated issue because both go off simultaneously the player whose turn it is decides which happens first. If activated in a challenge the attacks hit the character itself.

Mythra wrote:
No he wouldn't hit his unit just lose attacks. Challenges are separate.

Ok thanks mate, but to make this case how do i prove that this is correct? As in where does this say? Just want to avoid a huge rule argument.
Also if it's seperate does this mean mindshackle will always effect the one in the challenge or can still hit anyone in base?

Pg.9 (under Exceptions)
'At other times, you'll find that both players have to do something at the same time. When these things happen, the player whose turn it is decides the order in which the events occur'

Challenges and MSS are things that happen at the same time. This rule states that active players turn determines the order in which these happen.

In your example above, if you charged, then you get to pick whether the challenge or MSS happens first. Since it's your turn, you choose to issue the challenge, move the model in base contact, then activate the MSS. On his turn he can choose to have you use MSS first, even if there are no models in base contact with any Lords carrying them making them useless, and then issue the challenge. He should give you the opportunity to use them, but isn't required to. Many arguments have been started where players will often try to use them after issues are challenges because his opponent didn't say, 'Are you going to use your MSS now?'

It's one of the ways players get around MSS, and why using them on the first turn of any combat can be tricky.
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If in a challenge, the model that fails the MSS test, will hit himself. (Necron FAQ)

This is one of the reasons they're feared more now that we know they hit themselves.

EDIT: Since you are a Necron player, feel free to PM me about MSS if you want to know the 'other' things about MSS to help you decide if you want to take them. It's kinda long, and not on topic so Im not gonna post em here.

Thanks mate sounds good. I'm guessing that the mss still hits randomly to whoever is in base to base and not only the challenged character?

Models in a challenge are only considered to be in base contact with one another. So you only have 1 model 'in base contact' to randomize to.

Om mate thx, will search for where it says for "proof".
We haven't played alot of 6:ed yet so tryign to get it all right.