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Hello, This list is for an upcoming 2000 pt tournament. Single force org, no double org allowed!



65 Haemonculous - Liquifier and venom blade
135 Warriors (5) with blaster in venom with extra cannon and shields
135 Warriors (5) with blaster in venom with extra cannon and shields
135 Warriors (5) with blaster in venom with extra cannon and shields
150 Wytches (10) with leader and venom blade and haywires
80 Raider (lance) with shields and aerosailes
275 Grotesques (6) with liquifier and aberation with scissorhand
230 Tantalus with shock prow and shield
115 Ravager (3 lance) with shields
165 Razorwing (2 lance) shields and flickerfield

195 Maugan Ra
76 Jet Bikes (3) with 1 cannon
125 Warp Hunter

100 Aline with quad gun

This leaves me at 1981, what about the last 19? I know it makes little difference but what am I missing that is good?
What do you think?

I would give the wytches haywire grenades, the razorwing a flickerfield over a nightshield, and probably go with the Icarus over the Quad.

Otherwise, looks good

I thought the razorwing came with the flickerfields, my bad. I think I want both though as the armor 10 doesnt do well vs even bolters and reducing their range seems smart.


I could drop the bikes down to 3 and I would have 44 points to play with. Also I forgot to mention that the total here is 1995 at the moment.

How about this list with the above changes.


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What about the last 19 points?

Never bring a tantalus to a competitive setting. 230pts for an open topped, av12 transport with your best unit inside. I've never seen them last past turn one in a tournament. Also, grotesques are pretty unreliable, yes they are very tough, but that's not how DE play. Also, with challenges and precision shots, it won't be too hard to snipe the haemonculus out of the unit, bringing you down to a 275pt unit with Ld4.

Don't give venoms night shields, pre measuring makes it easy for opponents to get around that and essentially waste those points.

Wyches are good in 6th, but not for combat against infantry. They lack hitting power to take out units quickly and don't have the numbers to be a good tar pit. Where they shine, is in groups of 5, all with haywire grenades. Statistically, they can kill almost any (non flying) vehicle in the game in one turn. Solution? Split the squad into two units of five, both in venoms.

Drop the shields on the ravagers, your opponent will be targeting them with lascannons, auto cannons, and missiles. In other words, 48" weapons. If you can shoot them, they can shoot you with room to spare.

Razorwing looks fine.

Oh, if you do drop the grots, haemonculus and tantalus, I strongly recommend taking the baron and a squad of beasts. The will kill anything they touch. (except dreads, stay away from those).

For Eldar stuff:

Ok, we can both agree that maugen ra is good. but is it really worth it to pay 245 points for a bs 7 quad gun with 1 extra shot? (195+50). There is never a need to put someone with a bs higher than 5 behind a quad gun as TL already gives you rerolls and you cannot reroll a reroll, making bs higher than 5 wasteful. Instead, try taking a farseer with a small squad of avengers. The farseer for buffs and Runes of Warding while the avenger exarch's bs5 operates the quad gun. you now have a scoring unit, a powerful psychic defense, and you still have a bs5 quad gun, for roughly the same price.

Drop the bikes down to three. If your opponent can kill three bikes, two more generally won't make a difference.

I do agree that Maugan RA is expensive, so I will drop him for a farseer.

I unfortunately do not have dire avengers, but do have 10 guardians with a scatter laster.

I could knock the wytchs to 5 and put them in a venom but I thought they were decent enough to target light units and to support the grots.

What about if I made the wytches 9 and added an archos with a shadowfield. That would increase their survivorability and also their combat prowless.

Yes I know the tantalus is not very competitive, but I love it and its painted. haha Its staying! lol

I dont normally take it in smaller games but at 2000 it seems too fun to pass up.

I will rework the list now and edit it above.