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a teacher said he demonstrated behavior that caused concern. She saw him doodling in a notebook during class.

"He drew a glove with flames coming out of it,"

And he was arrested.

This is considered dangerous threatening behavior now.

I can picture the school board announcing "Jemand, das einen flammenden Handschule gezeichnet hat, wird nach ein Lager geschickt!"

I'm going to make the argument that everyone who thought this was a serious danger is obviously completely insane and totally detached from reality, and should be sent to a mental hospital immediately because they're clearly a danger to society.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I can picture the school board announcing "Jemand, das einen flammenden Handschule gezeichnet hat, wird nach ein Lager geschickt!"

Number one, please stop conflating German with authoritarianism.

Number two, he wasn't arrested for drawing a picture:

[...] student arrested Tuesday [...] after local police found items at his home that could cause an explosion [...] The 16-year-old was charged as a juvenile with possession of an explosive device.

Now, I agree -- the idea that the police should search the home of a kid because his classmate noted that he drew a picture of flaming glove is absolutely ridiculous.

I am therefore disinclined to believe this is what actually happened.

That German translates as "Someone who has drawn a flaming hand school, was sent to a camp" (using a translator), I would be surprised if the school came out with something like that

The thing with these incidents if they don't do anything about it and the kid shoots up some place the school would be blamed for not acting on "warning" signs. It may seem OTT but they have to cover their arses in case something does happen.


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 Manchu wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I can picture the school board announcing "Jemand, das einen flammenden Handschule gezeichnet hat, wird nach ein Lager geschickt!"

Number one, please stop conflating German with authoritarianism.

especially with the whole camp insinuation

Its interesting that they could get a judge to issue a warrant for a house search.
*for what?
*what probable cause?

Either:
1) there's more to the story;
2) the judge is a rubber stamp judge.

I'm thinking both.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
flaming hand school

I think he meant Handschuh.

 Frazzled wrote:
2) the judge is a rubber stamp judge

In this age of unlimited fear, I'd hardly be surprised. Even the poor boy's own mother said "you can't be too careful" regarding her house being searched by police ostensibly because her son's teacher saw him draw a picture. Doublethink, they call it.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
It may seem OTT but they have to cover their arses in case something does happen.

You've quite subtly pointed out a huge problem. There is a difference between preventing massacres and limited the associated liability. But limiting liability outweighs the Fourth Amendment? As Frazzled said, there must be more to the story (including the possibility of a negligent magistrate).

...

I think the next progression might be regular frisk searches and police raids inside GWs...

 Manchu wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
flaming hand school

I think he meant Handschuh.

 Frazzled wrote:
2) the judge is a rubber stamp judge

In this age of unlimited fear, I'd hardly be surprised. Even the poor boy's own mother said "you can't be too careful" regarding her house being searched by police ostensibly because her son's teacher saw him draw a picture.

Judges, however, are supposed to be above that. Again, without further information, that would be a defective warrant, BUT there's more here than meets the eye.

A lot of "coulds" in the article. Look under your sink, and in your kitchen cabinet and you can make incendiary devices. A properly stocked kitchen will have the chemical precursors for plastic explosive. you can make a nice molotov cocktail with gasoline, kerosene, and if real good a couple of styrfoam cups in the time it took me to type that. However, if Joe Nutjob has several chemicals sitting there capable of making plastic, The Anarchist's Cookbook, and some switches sitting on his desk, and his favorite list of all the people who ticked him off, I'd charge him too.

I wonder if they found a working switch or nearly complete one.


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 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
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I think the next progression might be regular frisk searches and police raids inside GWs...

I keep going to the airport and asking for the special service frisk line, but it never happens. You think I should offer more than $20?

I like how this thread was Godwin'd by the OP.

It takes skill, a skill only earned through years of quiet dedication to your craft.

That or an unhealthy obsession with Germans and Nazis.

 Manchu wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I can picture the school board announcing "Jemand, das einen flammenden Handschule gezeichnet hat, wird nach ein Lager geschickt!"

Number one, please stop conflating German with authoritarianism.

Number two, he wasn't arrested for drawing a picture:

[...] student arrested Tuesday [...] after local police found items at his home that could cause an explosion [...] The 16-year-old was charged as a juvenile with possession of an explosive device.

Now, I agree -- the idea that the police should search the home of a kid because his classmate noted that he drew a picture of flaming glove is absolutely ridiculous.

I am therefore disinclined to believe this is what actually happened.

Yeah, searching his house over a fething flaming glove drawing is completely idiotic. Also, "materials that can cause an explosion" can be anything.

The actual charge noted however cannot be anything.
I am sure possession of an explosive device has specific requirements, even in Sopranos New Jersey.

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
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I think the next progression might be regular frisk searches and police raids inside GWs...

Warhammer is a pretty violent game. People who play it might kill people. If something happens, everyone will say we should have been totalitarian...


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 Frazzled wrote:
It takes skill, a skill only earned through years of quiet dedication to your craft.

You know a lot about this...

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
...

I think the next progression might be regular frisk searches and police raids inside GWs...

Warhammer is a pretty violent game. People who play it might kill people. If something happens, everyone will say we should have been totalitarian...


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 Frazzled wrote:
It takes skill, a skill only earned through years of quiet dedication to your craft.

You know a lot about this...

Warhammer is far from a violent game, the warhammer background is, however, violent, and depicts violence, but the violence in Warhammer is nothing more than the violence one might read in a book.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
...

I think the next progression might be regular frisk searches and police raids inside GWs...

Warhammer is a pretty violent game. People who play it might kill people. If something happens, everyone will say we should have been totalitarian...

Is it though?
It's as violent as any book, film or game will ever get.
It's not violent.
In fact the idea that something like that puts someone on the road to murder is ridiculous.
40k is as detached as chess is. Some people imagine violence but when you get down to it, there is no violence or at least, there is as much violence in it as there is in chess.

Man, and I think back to the notebooks of circuit board schematics, aimless doodlings, and ranty trains of thought I had in high school along with the stockpile of M80s, potato guns, and other "explosive materials", I had as a punk-ass 16 year old, and it's no surprise I turned into one of those homicidal McVey types. Shame they didn't have this kind of overreaching paranoia to save everyone from me back then.

...or, I became an overall functional member of society, pay my taxes, and we're all better people for it.

But no, this is better. Ruin his life early with this. That'll make him productive in life later.

I think Ehrenstein's point is that a drawing of a flaming glove, the sort of thing one might see in a 40k rulebook, is no more violent than a game of 40k, which is to say not violent at all. He was just joining in with BlapBlapBlap's ironic post that the cops should raid GW stores in search of "violent" juvies committing terrible thoughtcrime. "Because you can never be too careful."

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 daedalus wrote:
Ruin his life early with this. That'll make him productive in life later.

You can bet that if he ever does write a manifesto, at least one chapter will be dedicated to this formative experience.

 daedalus wrote:
Man, and I think back to the notebooks of circuit board schematics, aimless doodlings, and ranty trains of thought I had in high school along with the stockpile of M80s, potato guns, and other "explosive materials", I had as a punk-ass 16 year old, and it's no surprise I turned into one of those homicidal McVey types. Shame they didn't have this kind of overreaching paranoia to save everyone from me back then.

...or, I became an overall functional member of society, pay my taxes, and we're all better people for it.

But no, this is better. Ruin his life early with this. That'll make him productive in life later.

Screw potato guns, I had a friend who made full on pipe bombs. BOOM! that will make cattle run!

 Manchu wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
Ruin his life early with this. That'll make him productive in life later.

You can bet that if he ever does write a manifesto, at least one chapter will be dedicated to this formative experience.

Well I hope he doesn't give away the ending in his manifesto, I could see a 2 or 3 book deal with the flaming glove initiative series...

 Frazzled wrote:


Screw potato guns, I had a friend who made full on pipe bombs. BOOM! that will make cattle run!

Funny you mention that. A friend of mine who was a few years older than me took the little metal cartridges left over from paintball (the whip-it cartridge things) and he would fill them with gunpowder and a firework wick, and we'd go out tossing them around.

Still amazing that we didn't kill ourselves. Looking back on it, I'm amazed at all the awesome stuff we got away with in the old days living in the country that you just can't really do anymore.

I also had a loading press and three to ten lbs of powder at any time. Not to mention pressure ignition switches (caps for a Cap n Ball revolver) and delayed timer fuse (book of matches and cigarette). How did we survive?

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
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I think the next progression might be regular frisk searches and police raids inside GWs...

Warhammer is a pretty violent game. People who play it might kill people. If something happens, everyone will say we should have been totalitarian...


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 Frazzled wrote:
It takes skill, a skill only earned through years of quiet dedication to your craft.

You know a lot about this...

Warhammer is far from a violent game, the warhammer background is, however, violent, and depicts violence, but the violence in Warhammer is nothing more than the violence one might read in a book.

I was not being sarcastic.


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 purplefood wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:
...

I think the next progression might be regular frisk searches and police raids inside GWs...

Warhammer is a pretty violent game. People who play it might kill people. If something happens, everyone will say we should have been totalitarian...

Is it though?
It's as violent as any book, film or game will ever get.
It's not violent.
In fact the idea that something like that puts someone on the road to murder is ridiculous.
40k is as detached as chess is. Some people imagine violence but when you get down to it, there is no violence or at least, there is as much violence in it as there is in chess.

Again, I was totally not being sarcastic...

I realize you weren't being sarcastic...

 daedalus wrote:
Man, and I think back to the notebooks of circuit board schematics, aimless doodlings, and ranty trains of thought I had in high school along with the stockpile of M80s, potato guns, and other "explosive materials", I had as a punk-ass 16 year old, and it's no surprise I turned into one of those homicidal McVey types. Shame they didn't have this kind of overreaching paranoia to save everyone from me back then.

...or, I became an overall functional member of society, pay my taxes, and we're all better people for it.

But no, this is better. Ruin his life early with this. That'll make him productive in life later.

Very good point!

Various Animes may have to be banned, flaming gloves seem to be fairly common

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I can picture the school board announcing "Jemand, das einen flammenden Handschule gezeichnet hat, wird nach ein Lager geschickt!"

Number one, please stop conflating German with authoritarianism.

Number two, he wasn't arrested for drawing a picture:

[...] student arrested Tuesday [...] after local police found items at his home that could cause an explosion [...] The 16-year-old was charged as a juvenile with possession of an explosive device.

Now, I agree -- the idea that the police should search the home of a kid because his classmate noted that he drew a picture of flaming glove is absolutely ridiculous.

I am therefore disinclined to believe this is what actually happened.

Yeah, searching his house over a fething flaming glove drawing is completely idiotic. Also, "materials that can cause an explosion" can be anything.

The proper mixture of common household cleaning agents or pool supplies can create explosives or poisonous gas bombs. So yes, idiotic.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Various Animes may have to be banned, flaming gloves seem to be fairly common

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I can picture the school board announcing "Jemand, das einen flammenden Handschule gezeichnet hat, wird nach ein Lager geschickt!"

Number one, please stop conflating German with authoritarianism.

Number two, he wasn't arrested for drawing a picture:

[...] student arrested Tuesday [...] after local police found items at his home that could cause an explosion [...] The 16-year-old was charged as a juvenile with possession of an explosive device.

Now, I agree -- the idea that the police should search the home of a kid because his classmate noted that he drew a picture of flaming glove is absolutely ridiculous.

I am therefore disinclined to believe this is what actually happened.

Yeah, searching his house over a fething flaming glove drawing is completely idiotic. Also, "materials that can cause an explosion" can be anything.

The proper mixture of common household cleaning agents or pool supplies can create explosives or poisonous gas bombs. So yes, idiotic.

While I'll never admit it, I agree with the Inquisitor here, but I think that was his point is that it's idiotic, because if you search "hard enough" you'll find things to make explosives with... Though he has stated several times that he was not being sarcastic, I wonder if this is another such time.

Looks to see who started the thread and notice stupid attempt to use the German language and references of sending people to camps...

I did nazi that coming.

Have to say that it is getting pretty offensive and tiring that any invocation of Germans by OP is comparative to nazis.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Various Animes may have to be banned, flaming gloves seem to be fairly common

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I can picture the school board announcing "Jemand, das einen flammenden Handschule gezeichnet hat, wird nach ein Lager geschickt!"

Number one, please stop conflating German with authoritarianism.

Number two, he wasn't arrested for drawing a picture:

[...] student arrested Tuesday [...] after local police found items at his home that could cause an explosion [...] The 16-year-old was charged as a juvenile with possession of an explosive device.

Now, I agree -- the idea that the police should search the home of a kid because his classmate noted that he drew a picture of flaming glove is absolutely ridiculous.

I am therefore disinclined to believe this is what actually happened.

Yeah, searching his house over a fething flaming glove drawing is completely idiotic. Also, "materials that can cause an explosion" can be anything.

The proper mixture of common household cleaning agents or pool supplies can create explosives or poisonous gas bombs. So yes, idiotic.

While I'll never admit it, I agree with the Inquisitor here, but I think that was his point is that it's idiotic, because if you search "hard enough" you'll find things to make explosives with... Though he has stated several times that he was not being sarcastic, I wonder if this is another such time.

Gak Tyrone, get it together.