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I plan to be involved in a tournement at out local store where you have to buy a battleforce and a HQ, put it all together in 2 hours (!!!!) and play for the rest of the day. The only rules are that no other models can be used, models have to be used as what they are (so no green stuff cloaks on guardians to make rangers), normal FoC restrictions dont apply, you can just use things in the battleforce and a HQ. The point limit is 500pts.

I plan to use the eldar battleforce, mainly because i eventually want to make an eldar army for eldar allies and because they are the only codex other then my own (and tyranids, but...euch) i own. When i looked into it i found it contained less points then other battleforces, but could this be a blessing in disguise? That means i can fork out on my HQ, or rather, My AVATAR! Mwhahaha Without further adue, here is my list.

Hq
Avatar 155pts

Troops
5 dire avengers w/ exarch (rambo shurican catapult, bladestorm) 92pts
8 guardians w/ EML platform, 2 crew 100pts

[u[Heavey Surport [/u]
Warwalker w/ duel SC 40pts

Transport
Waveserpent w/ TL SC + Underslug SC 110pts

497pts.

I used the entire battleforce (not like i had a choice...) and lets face it, the avatar is the only amazing thing here. AT is reduced to 12 str 6 shots, a krak missile and the avatars melta. str 6 should also work as AI but volume of shots is a problem, lets hope that a few plasma warheads make contact! The idea would be to march the avatar straight forward and crump the tank they have in most battleforce, the warwalker will outflank and try make the range of the SC not a problem and hopefully get some juicy side armour shots. Opening the metwal bowxes for the avatar to get at the candy insides. Guardians camp shooting the EML to litte effect and maybe the wavesepent doesnt blow up, so the DA can pop out on a OBJ. DA bring the volume of shots to overpower certain units (Ork boys,scouts,guardsmen) when using bladestorm there job is mainly to stay alive.

Thoughts? I can try swap out the EML for a brightlance, but its a lot of points for something that doesnt hit a lot, and the plasma warhead will be invaluable against necrons. I wanted EML on the waveserpent but decided against it, wanted the volume of shots from the duel SC. I dont know what other armies there will be but i know what each army can have. Any battleforce you think will be a big problem? I thought that since other battleforces come in at a fair few more points, they will have to drop something to fit in a good HQ, or will have a bad one. And no one can pose a threat to the avatar apart from 6's so hopefully he will get to krump face!

well i know tau could be interesting, Codex marines could be worse,

Codex Marines i see putting up this list

Chaplain w/ jump pack

10 man tactical squad with rhino

5 Tactical squad with stuff

5 Assault squad prob with power fist,

and i think there will be points for some other stuff


if a tau force shows up expect this

2 six man fire warrior teams, or possibly an 8 man with 4 pathfinders (a extremely easy conversion, just give them pulse carbines and leave off the shoulder pads and backpacks) so be prepared him to give an argument

also, given tau aesthetics, he culd consevably bring in 2 HQ suits, so you could see 2 BS 5 suits with S6 Ap2 rapid fire weapons, and S7 AP4 assault 2 weapon, plus a marker team of +2 coversave in cover Stealth team, and a group of fire warriors

those are the lists i would bring for those conditions

Ha! That is a very interesting format. Expensive, but interesting.

I like your list. Looks good for the limitations that you have.

The avatar will be pretty beastly in a 500 point game where no one has a tank much bigger than a Rhino.

Watch out for who ever takes the dark eldar battalion, those reavers are dastardly quick.

While i agree its expensive, i was going to start eldar anyway and if (Read:When With you lots help of course) i win i get a ''big prize''. As in enougth to practically reinberse my buying of the battleforce, effectivley making it almost free!

I know well those dastadly reavers (i play them myself) are quick, they carnt effectivly hurt the avatar more then 3 warriors. They only have a 4+ cover so shurican cannons should shred them, along with the rest of the army. Str 6 is brutal vs DE. A friend told me to look out for the necron battleforce, but i carnt find it on GW. What does it contain? If it contains deathmarks then the avatar will be going down...fast. But i doubt they would be made up as DM rather then immortals, because if they dont know my list, they carnt tailor to it

I am quietly confident about my army, because it hs a counter to most things the other battleforces can throw at it. CC troops can be delt with by avatar, ranged get charged by avatar, tanks by avatar....str 6 shooting helps too The only army im really dreading is space wolves, that drop pod could..complicate things.

If you vs the necron battle force expect to take same s9 ap1 pie plates because it comes with an ark of ur choice and the scarabs will be a fair threat towards most of ur army and you cant expect the avatar to be ur answer to everything it can only do so much at a time

Found the necron battleforce and it doesn't took to 'ard. Doomsday arc has a few choices, shoot at avatar who has a 4++, so 50% to shrug of the wound, fire at the wavesepernt and only count as str 8 and gets to jink, so a 30% to do something, or Murder my guardians with no save...but no one bothers with guardians

Scarabs dont scare me, not with my str 6 shooting. 5 wounds and the unit is gone. The twenty foot logging warriors are rather nastey, and they will be what i run my avatar towards and send plasma shots at, they do wonders vs necrons. They do 2 wounds before 3+ armour at close range, i still dont like those odds. Immortals (is it safe to assume immortals? Do people take deathmarks over them?) high str could be an issue for the avatar, so excess shooting goes into them. I doubt he will even include all of that, as he has to make room for the overlord in the 500pt match. I also doubt he would waste points on MMS, as he'd assume there wouldnt be too much to use it on that a warscyth wont take care of. Too bad i can smash him and insta death him

I dont have the necron codex, so how much does the annialation barge cost? Im really hoping to much to allow quatum shielding (av 13 is a bitch to str 6...) and have a reasonable force. am i holding to much on hope?

*edit* found the necron pts for the battleforce, coming to around 750 un-upgraded. So now im sure they will leave out the ghost arc in favour of more bodies, and a overlord with rez orb. Im sure that'll pop up at around 500.

have you considered guard? for 500 points limited to the battleforce and cadian hq squad

HQ
CCS + MoO + 2 grenade launchers 90pts
CCS + MoO + autocannon 90pts

Troops
veteren squads with plasma gun and autocannon 95pts
veteren squads with plasma gun and autocannon 95pts

Fast Attack
armoured sentinel w/ plasma cannon 75pts

this comes to 445pts

tactic is, sit in cover, arty everything

plenty of room for expansion like (heavy) flamers or grenade launcher spam etc

though you may have to check if its ok to use a guy with a vox caster (like the one in the CCS kit) to be a MoO, as to me thats basically what the "official" model is anyway.

Edit: I did one of these armys in the last guard codex, fielding a leman russ in 500pts is fun

onemannoodles that is not legal in this list becouse you cant have MoO


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and there no Plasma in the set if you convert the vox in MoO you dont have enough models to use MoO

 commisar_simon wrote:
onemannoodles that is not legal in this list becouse you cant have MoO

and there no Plasma in the set if you convert the vox in MoO you dont have enough models to use MoO

actually you would have 4 cadians left over, and there is plasma, you can view the sprue on line, making a MoO out of this would not require conversion, simply gluing parts together (even the pose is the same), astetically appart from some fancy details the models are the same. Its like being unable to use the commissar model with a power fist as a lord commissar because he doesn't have a big cloak. But if that was in the rules that the model had to be as per the back of the box, then i can understand it being not legal in that game set.

Sammael - 200 pts

Ravenwing Attack Squadron - 221 pts
-6 bikes
-Flamer
-Attack Bike w/multi-melta

Ravenwing Support Squadron-75 pts
Land Speeder Typhoon

Total: 496 points

I think blood angels could be worth it!

HQ:
Librarian/jump pack/hand flamer: 135 points (convert from left over Battle force jumppack marines?)

Troops:
Tactical squad (10): Melta, Missle launcher, Rhino: 225 points

Deathcompany (5): powerfist: 140 points

makes up for an 500 points with left over 4 assault marines becouse you use one for convertion perposes you dont have to buy an hq choise becouse you already have one!


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 OneManNoodles wrote:

 commisar_simon wrote:
onemannoodles that is not legal in this list becouse you cant have MoO

and there no Plasma in the set if you convert the vox in MoO you dont have enough models to use MoO

actually you would have 4 cadians left over, and there is plasma, you can view the sprue on line, making a MoO out of this would not require conversion, simply gluing parts together (even the pose is the same), astetically appart from some fancy details the models are the same. Its like being unable to use the commissar model with a power fist as a lord commissar because he doesn't have a big cloak. But if that was in the rules that the model had to be as per the back of the box, then i can understand it being not legal in that game set.

o yes offcourse you have left over becouse you use the heavy weapon teams in the squads my bad. and since when is there plasma in there? as far as i know there only is grenade launchers and flamers in it.

Dude that is a sweet format!

Idk what bits the space wolves battleforce specifically comes with, but that would be mean to be podding a greyhunter squad with two plasma and a rune priest in TDA with jaws of the world wolf.

The spacewolf battle force is 20 grey hunters and a drop pod, and i think a small jump squad. The scary thing is the drop pod, cercumveting my army to drop his massive unit, which WILL wipe what it shoots at save the avatar. The only shining star is that they will hopefully have melta's, which the avatar is immune to. JoTWW is an inititive test right? The avatar should pass that well enough and wreak the squad, but the damage would of been sone already.

Tyranids should be easy, as there is only 1 unit of synapses creatures. The prime would probabilly join the warriors as well for LoS stuff, meaning as soon as the unit dies the entire army falls away. Orks dont make sense, a trukk which carnt hold all the boys and some bikes, i'd guess which a warboss biker or big mek KFF. Eitherway, nothing to harm the avatar or the waveserpent. BA are just expensive 3+ marines, some of whom are fast. Nothing a fair few str6 shots wont fix. Right now the only list i think can beat me is squats...

Could the Ork Box take Gazzy? I think at those points you could squeek him in and WOW zoom him up in a truck and sit back while he crushes everyone.

Oh and what about Deamons they can they fit in a Greator Deamon?

2 hours?!?!

anyway that sounds great with the avatar

 Crawdadr wrote:

Oh and what about Deamons they can they fit in a Greator Deamon?

Don't know, new codex is out today, have not seen it yet.

commisar_simon wrote:
o yes offcourse you have left over becouse you use the heavy weapon teams in the squads my bad. and since when is there plasma in there? as far as i know there only is grenade launchers and flamers in it.

Command Squad Sprue has a melta and a plasma in it.

nolzur wrote:

 Crawdadr wrote:

Oh and what about Deamons they can they fit in a Greator Deamon?

Don't know, new codex is out today, have not seen it yet.

You mean next week right?

If its battleforce + a HQ

Then nids can take the swarmlord and then just some small gribblies. Even the avatar would struggle with that.

Or a tervigon, so you can pump out more gaunts

Must mean that. They only went on advance order today.

I'm liking the avatar in that list

Its battleforce + HQ in 500pts.

Since the swarmlord is 280pts, he wont fit much else in. He'd have to give up over half his army to fit him in. And the swarmlord is only toughness 6, against str 6 he is just a 5 wound space marine. And its even worse for him if a krak missile connects.

Ghaz would be nasty, if his waaagh! goes of in combat with the Avatar the avatar is goign down! But once again, he is a lot of points. Although it is offset by the fact the orks have the lowest point battleforce base, if they lost the trukk or a few boys they could proabilly fit him in! Hmmm, it never occured to me that other players might bring there super HQ, ill have to think on that. Mephiston could eb NASTY in this type of game.

Hmm, the swarmy would beat the avatar in combat, and in 500 points out of a battleforce, how much S6+ weaponry will there be. He can also look out sir to a unit behind. 320 points can buy you a lot from the nid dex, he can fill up on most from the battle force. Not saying it would be the best, but the swarmy at 500 is very strong and should not be brushed of so easily. I guess the other option will be flyrant with twin devourers, should be quite nasty to at that low points.

Hmmm = SW Battleforce
1 x Runepriest

10 x GH 2x MG Drop Pod
10 x GH 2x PG
5 x Wolf Scouts

Might just work...

Definitely interesting format. The necron battle force would be impossible to assemble in time. The ghost/doomsday ark alone takes forever, especially considering the rebuild after you smash it to pieces in frustration and have to start over from scratch...

So the idea here is everyone buys a battleforce, ruins all the models rushing to assemble it in two hours (and no, you can't build a whole battleforce in two hours without ruining the models), and then after playing some meaningless games everyone buys another battleforce to replace the one they ruined. Awesome deal for the store, but I'm not really sure why anyone would be gullible enough to participate in it.

I can see this format being a lot of fun if there are a large number of people starting new armies.

I take it all the battleforces have 2 troop choices in them?

Imo they should really come with an hq as well. They are meant for you to be able to get battling straight away after all.

I like this idea, as i have recently bought a battleforce. 2 hours do seem pretty short, but I suppose for an event you need some sort of limits.

but now for da Orkz!! WAAAGH!!!

HQ
Warboss with PK, ‘eavy armor, Bosspole 95

Troops
11 ‘ard Boyz, Nob, PK 145
Trukk, red paint, ram, grot riggers 50
11 shoota boyz, big shoota, big shoota nob, bosspole 91

Fast Attack
3 Warbikers Nob, PK, BP 115

TOTAL
496