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2013/02/22 07:04:09
Subject: monstrous characters?
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What is the deal? A monstrous creature cannot join other squads due to always being a unit of one model... but that's what a character model is. so the question is can a monstrous character model join a squad? i.e. Eldar Avatar(monstrous character) joining a foot squad.
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2013/02/22 07:14:12
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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The Independent Character rule is what allows Characters to join other units.
If a character does not have the Independent Character rule it can not (Usually) join other units.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2013/02/22 07:31:19
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Member of the Malleus
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I believe it would be theoretically possible for MC to be an IC. I don't know of such an example. (ignore the hive tyrant, hive tyrants are weird)
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2013/02/22 08:10:28
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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Theoretically it is possible to have an MC that is also an IC as Independant Character is a special rule and MC(ch) is a type. Currently though there are no MC(ch) that have the IC rule.
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2013/02/22 14:28:48
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sir_Prometheus wrote:I believe it would be theoretically possible for MC to be an IC. I don't know of such an example. (ignore the hive tyrant, hive tyrants are weird)
The old C'tan rules had them as ICs, but then stated they could not join units
(This made sense with the 3rd ed rules)
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2013/02/22 16:59:59
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Member of the Malleus
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Sir_Prometheus wrote:I believe it would be theoretically possible for MC to be an IC. I don't know of such an example. (ignore the hive tyrant, hive tyrants are weird)
CrashCanuck wrote:Theoretically it is possible to have an MC that is also an IC as Independant Character is a special rule and MC(ch) is a type. Currently though there are no MC(ch) that have the IC rule.
Err....you said the exact same thing an hour later?
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2013/02/22 17:06:30
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Gentlemen, there is one example. Bran the Redmaw got updated to have the MC rules when he changed. He still had the independent character rules. Mind you this was a FW pdf update/erata that got pulled down with the introduction for 6th edition and it has not been updated. As he is now, Bran is quite weak as he will change loosing his armour penetration and armour.
Forge World really needs to update this.
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2013/02/22 17:07:47
Subject: Re:monstrous characters?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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If a model is an IC, it can be joined by other ICs because being an IC means that you are not always a unit of 1 model.
ICs can join other ICs to form a unit of ICs.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2013/02/22 17:57:36
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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zeus89 wrote:What is the deal? A monstrous creature cannot join other squads due to always being a unit of one model... but that's what a character model is. so the question is can a monstrous character model join a squad? i.e. Eldar Avatar(monstrous character) joining a foot squad.
The deal is that the MC's marked as characters get precision shot/precision strike. If said MC could be in a squad (through other methods not including Independent Character rules) then he would also have Look Out Sir rolls.
Also, this allows them to Challenge in close combat. Is there any other benefit to being a character that I'm missing?
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2013/02/22 18:11:47
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Member of the Malleus
Boston, MA
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Challenge
Precision shots
Look out sir. (4+, IC's get 2+)
No, that's all of them.
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2013/02/22 19:51:36
Subject: Re:monstrous characters?
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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It's not strictly a benefit, but if involved in a combat, characters must pile-in before other friendly models at their Initiative step (page 63 of the rulebook).
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2013/02/22 20:22:50
Subject: Re:monstrous characters?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 Grey Templar wrote:If a model is an IC, it can be joined by other ICs because being an IC means that you are not always a unit of 1 model.
ICs can join other ICs to form a unit of ICs.
Not quite. ICs are always units that consist of a single model. However, the IC special rule makes an exception to not being able to join and specifically allows an IC to join another IC.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/02/22 20:34:13
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Member of the Malleus
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Actually, Tau commander + drones make a multi-model IC. Just FYI.
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2013/02/22 20:36:30
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Forgot about Tau drones (and Fenrisian Wolves for that matter).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2013/02/22 20:38:23
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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A Wolf Lord with 2 fenrisian wolves make a multi-model IC.
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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2013/02/23 14:12:55
Subject: monstrous characters?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Just to add more fun. Not all MC's are single model units. Carnifex can be 3 model units.
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