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this previous summer I bought a small warriors of chaos force, along with the codex and BRB
I've played a couple games, and while its ok, so far it hasnt cultivated my interest in extreme, not compared to 40k
it was a bit of an investment, and I'm considering selling/trading my models.
I do like the models, though, and selling them would be at a loss. I may reconsider if I can make a viable list out of them

what I have is

2 warriors regiments, so 24 models
5 knights
1 demon prince.

I want to make tzeentch themed force, because I want to paint blue
1000 points ish
for my lord, I was using a sorcerer, on a disc (demon prince counts as sorc lord) but I also really like the new chariot model.
would a chariot make a viable lord?.. the demon prince even? or just run a sorc lord..
of course this would be throwing more money into the grinder, but I could sell the prince maybe and not be out cash from selling off the army
I would also have to buy the new codex if I wanna keep playing

I was running the warriors in 2 units 6 wide 2 deep, with shields. maybe 1 unit 5 wide 5 deep would be better?

help me dakka forum, you are my only hope

In the new book, Daemon Princes are the bees knees. Tzeentch isn't the best anymore, but its still definitly viable. You can still pull crazy schenanigins.


Chariots as mounts arn't a great idea because your lord can get his mount shot out from under him, while exposing him to danger.

There is a build that gets you a 1+ armor, 3+ ward, and you rerol 1s on Ward saves IIRC. The unkillible tzeentch lord. Just crazy.

But chariots as a unit are a good idea, especially the Gorebeast chariot.



I assume your warriors have shields and hand weapons.


I would buy one more box of warriors which will give you 2 units of 18(the popular unit size)

With shield and MoT they will have 3+/5++ saves in melee. Pretty good.

If you get a Sorceror on a Disk he can take Lore of Metal and have a very good chance of getting those warriors to a 1+ save with a spell. He should be your general.

The DP is your melee beatstick.

Yah, mostly what he said. You can play small battles (say 1k points) with a DP and pretty much stomp all over people. At that point level there's almost nothing in the game as good as him (IMHO).

WoC is super armor and super killy. It's a pretty nice combo.

so with what I have, before buying anything new, maybe 5x5 (24) warriors with tzeentch lord/sorc, 5x knights and demon prince. will that fit in at 1000? I presume the unkillable lord build can still be ok on a sorc, so I can do the magic phase (bein tzeentchy and such)

That will fit in 100 points, although you will need another unit to be legal(your General doesn't count)

So a 5 pup unit of Warhounds would be the cheapest thing to do. Or split the warriors into 2 units of 12.

40k is generally more broken, more hated upon and far less tactical than WHFB and that alone should be reason to stick with it.

You may have heard the expression "SWAG is for boys, Class is for men". In my opinion, the same comparison can be made by substituting swag and class for 40k and WHFB respectively. Not hating on 40k or anything, I still very much enjoy it, though I do find that WHFB is a nice respite from all the "trauma" 40k can bring.

 The Shadow wrote:
40k is generally more broken, more hated upon and far less tactical than WHFB and that alone should be reason to stick with it.

You may have heard the expression "SWAG is for boys, Class is for men". In my opinion, the same comparison can be made by substituting swag and class for 40k and WHFB respectively. Not hating on 40k or anything, I still very much enjoy it, though I do find that WHFB is a nice respite from all the "trauma" 40k can bring.

Downright dumb post, one of the worst I have ever seen on these forums.

Both WHFB and 40k aren't well-balanced. The main difference lies in the reasons why it's imbalanced. 40k's main downfall is the poor codex balance while on the other hand, the basic rules are fine. WHFB has gaping holes in regards to the basic rules and a poor internal balance but at the same time, all 8th army books are well-balanced (more or less, usually got a few bad spikes).

40k is more hated upon because a lot more people play it. That's it.

And really, "40k is for boys, WHFB is for men"? Wow. Just...wow. Way to lose all the credibility you ever had with a single post.

Fantasy is a lot more tactical because movement is a lot more important and restricted, where in 40k everyone is basically a Skirmisher with no unit facings (except vehicles) and combat resolution is done purely on unsaved wounds inflicted.

As for why to stick with WoC? Do you have any idea how much nicer the WoC book is than the Chaos Space Marine book?

You get six spells and a Signature Spell.

40k gets three powers and a Primaris power, all of which are useless except the Primaris of Slaanesh and Doombolt of Tzeentch.

Tzeentch options in 40k boil down to overpriced cult units and generic units with a 6++ save that they don't get to take if they get their normal save.

The list goes on...

As for why to stick with WoC? Do you have any idea how much nicer the WoC book is than the Chaos Space Marine book?

You get six spells and a Signature Spell.

40k gets three powers and a Primaris power, all of which are useless except the Primaris of Slaanesh and Doombolt of Tzeentch.

Uh, Nurgle is actually pretty good, same with the entirety of Slaanesh. I have no clue what your going on there.

Except for the not six/signature, no clue why that's not included.

Tzeentch options in 40k boil down to overpriced cult units and generic units with a 6++ save that they don't get to take if they get their normal save.

Yes, this is depressing though.

I was in the store today looking at the new codex book.

Tzeentch magic seems good enough, although the chance for your opponents to regen is annoying as balls.

1000 points leaves only 250 for my lord/hero, and as the lords are expensive they're out of the question. So, pondering..

1x sorc, level 2, MoT ... goes with the warriors

24x warriors, shield, MoT (5x5 block)

5x knights, ensorceled weapons

this leaves me needing 1 core, so

1 chaos chariot, mark

comes in at 900 pointish. thats with no banners, magic items on the hero (which I would obv buy), etc. wadda ya think? is a chariot an ok core choice?

I'm still not sure how I feel about moving blocks of infantry around terrain tho

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geez this is even worse then the 40k forums
if you all set any example for WFB players.. lol

Sell it and move away from any and all GW games as fast as possible.

 bigyounk wrote:
Sell it and move away from any and all GW games as fast as possible.

Ignore this guy. He's done nothing but disrupt threads by whining about the new release.

There have been several threads about the new viable builds and units in the new dex. I'd take some serious time to read some more, and play a bit more. Selling your army is a pretty big deal, and you don't want to regret in a few months, when everyone has figured out the book. Unless you are in some serious need of cash, you really don't have anything to gain by selling it right now. There is no harm in waiting at least a couple of months, before making a big choice like this.

You also won't ever get the money back. You'd be lucky to get maybe half of what you paid for the stuff. It costs you nothing to wait.

Its time you could spend on your painting skills.


Getting rid of an army is almost always a decision you will regret. Many people come back to the hobby years later and bemoan that they sold all their models and now have to rebuild from scratch(at higher prices)

Its much cheaper to update an army than start a new one. You already have the core of the army, just buy the new book and maybe 3-5 boxes of new stuff. If you even spend that much.


If I get around to updating my Chaos army I'll only need to buy maybe 3-4 chariots(because I love chariots), a couple Daemon Princes, and a box of Spawn. I already have everything else I need.

At the very least wait until June to hock your stuff. If the new prices are standard, you might actually make back what you paid for your army.

 Laughing Man wrote:
At the very least wait until June to hock your stuff. If the new prices are standard, you might actually make back what you paid for your army.

I second this. *If* you should change your opinion and decide to sell them, wait for the next price hike. If GW keeps it up, we're looking at a price increase of 25+%.

 Sasori wrote:

 bigyounk wrote:
Sell it and move away from any and all GW games as fast as possible.

Ignore this guy. He's done nothing but disrupt threads by whining about the new release.

There have been several threads about the new viable builds and units in the new dex. I'd take some serious time to read some more, and play a bit more. Selling your army is a pretty big deal, and you don't want to regret in a few months, when everyone has figured out the book. Unless you are in some serious need of cash, you really don't have anything to gain by selling it right now. There is no harm in waiting at least a couple of months, before making a big choice like this.

Quit being a GW apologist, they released a garbage codex and called it balance. I must now go and drop $4-500 to build a new list with this gak book. GW is done and you guys need to wake up and stop being fanboys to a fault. There are 3-4 BETTER systems out there made by gaming companies not a corporation. I, for one, am 100% done with GW. I've played their games for just under 20 years now and I am finally fed up with their shenanigans. Stop feeding those trolls over across the pond in England your hard earned money so they go the way of the dodo, the sooner the better.

 bigyounk wrote:

Quit being a GW apologist, they released a garbage codex and called it balance. I must now go and drop $4-500 to build a new list with this gak book. GW is done and you guys need to wake up and stop being fanboys to a fault. There are 3-4 BETTER systems out there made by gaming companies not a corporation. I, for one, am 100% done with GW. I've played their games for just under 20 years now and I am finally fed up with their shenanigans. Stop feeding those trolls over across the pond in England your hard earned money so they go the way of the dodo, the sooner the better.

How about you then go to the appropriate forums for those "better" games and don't rage at GW in a public forum...and saying that Sasori is a fanboy is pretty damn far off. We do have GW fanboys in here who blindly embrace everything they do, but he certainly ain't one of 'em.

And on another issue: GW is done? Objective facts tell us otherwise.

 bigyounk wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 bigyounk wrote:
Sell it and move away from any and all GW games as fast as possible.

Ignore this guy. He's done nothing but disrupt threads by whining about the new release.

There have been several threads about the new viable builds and units in the new dex. I'd take some serious time to read some more, and play a bit more. Selling your army is a pretty big deal, and you don't want to regret in a few months, when everyone has figured out the book. Unless you are in some serious need of cash, you really don't have anything to gain by selling it right now. There is no harm in waiting at least a couple of months, before making a big choice like this.

Quit being a GW apologist, they released a garbage codex and called it balance. I must now go and drop $4-500 to build a new list with this gak book. GW is done and you guys need to wake up and stop being fanboys to a fault. There are 3-4 BETTER systems out there made by gaming companies not a corporation. I, for one, am 100% done with GW. I've played their games for just under 20 years now and I am finally fed up with their shenanigans. Stop feeding those trolls over across the pond in England your hard earned money so they go the way of the dodo, the sooner the better.

fine we got that now, quit your whining and go to the forum that suits YOUR game.

back topic. we got lords/ heroes that are pretty badass and allmost unkillable.
tzeentch warriors going with shields having that 5+parry save is good fun.
nurgle sorc that gains more and more wounds and toughness for every six tossed at magic.
the new additons of deamon princes being very killy.

lot and lot to pick from, and warhounds now being true core.

as for mauraders theyve been more balanced yes ONE special person gotta admitt that they were just toooo cheap considering how good they were for the p cost.
taking them without mark and great weapons can still be killy due the numbers if in doubt take the cheaper makr of slanesh and just ignore those morale tests.

Everyone knew they were too cheap in the old book. Now, they're overpriced. With Chariots now core, I'd not field Marauders. Warriors for the tanky, Chariots for the killy.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Everyone knew they were too cheap in the old book. Now, they're overpriced. With Chariots now core, I'd not field Marauders.

i fielded them the other day to test them out, a group of 30 all with gw's and mark of nurgle against ogres.
and ill be honest, they can be good can be bad, they did overall ok. but with the new p cost i agree. charriots or more warriors are better...

had something fun on my mind thinking of fielding a dog/charriot army. a speedy woc army for once

 bigyounk wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 bigyounk wrote:
Sell it and move away from any and all GW games as fast as possible.

Ignore this guy. He's done nothing but disrupt threads by whining about the new release.

There have been several threads about the new viable builds and units in the new dex. I'd take some serious time to read some more, and play a bit more. Selling your army is a pretty big deal, and you don't want to regret in a few months, when everyone has figured out the book. Unless you are in some serious need of cash, you really don't have anything to gain by selling it right now. There is no harm in waiting at least a couple of months, before making a big choice like this.

Quit being a GW apologist, they released a garbage codex and called it balance. I must now go and drop $4-500 to build a new list with this gak book. GW is done and you guys need to wake up and stop being fanboys to a fault. There are 3-4 BETTER systems out there made by gaming companies not a corporation. I, for one, am 100% done with GW. I've played their games for just under 20 years now and I am finally fed up with their shenanigans. Stop feeding those trolls over across the pond in England your hard earned money so they go the way of the dodo, the sooner the better.

I was patient with you when you were initially angry, but this is getting obnoxious. Like the others said, we get it. Go have fun with your other stuff then. Nothing wrong with that.

 Evertras wrote:

 bigyounk wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 bigyounk wrote:
Sell it and move away from any and all GW games as fast as possible.

Ignore this guy. He's done nothing but disrupt threads by whining about the new release.

There have been several threads about the new viable builds and units in the new dex. I'd take some serious time to read some more, and play a bit more. Selling your army is a pretty big deal, and you don't want to regret in a few months, when everyone has figured out the book. Unless you are in some serious need of cash, you really don't have anything to gain by selling it right now. There is no harm in waiting at least a couple of months, before making a big choice like this.

Quit being a GW apologist, they released a garbage codex and called it balance. I must now go and drop $4-500 to build a new list with this gak book. GW is done and you guys need to wake up and stop being fanboys to a fault. There are 3-4 BETTER systems out there made by gaming companies not a corporation. I, for one, am 100% done with GW. I've played their games for just under 20 years now and I am finally fed up with their shenanigans. Stop feeding those trolls over across the pond in England your hard earned money so they go the way of the dodo, the sooner the better.

I was patient with you when you were initially angry, but this is getting obnoxious. Like the others said, we get it. Go have fun with your other stuff then. Nothing wrong with that.

Offtopic -I find it kinda ironic that when I was going into him for crying, you grab popcorn. Yet now, I'm the one with the popcorn. *gets more* I must say, its kinda fun. I see why you did it the last time.

On Topic - The book still works. Keep playing it. Its cheaper to expand than to find a new army. If you don't like WFB, find another game to like. I personally love the game. Just like I love other games. I'd rather adapt then quit.

Stoupe wrote:

Offtopic -I find it kinda ironic that when I was going into him for crying, you grab popcorn. Yet now, I'm the one with the popcorn. *gets more* I must say, its kinda fun. I see why you did it the last time.

On Topic - The book still works. Keep playing it. Its cheaper to expand than to find a new army. If you don't like WFB, find another game to like. I personally love the game. Just like I love other games. I'd rather adapt then quit.

Delicious, isn't it? It's the grand cycle of the internet.

Anyway, I don't think I can actually be productive in this thread, so I'll bow out. <3

Whether "haters" or "apologists," everyone needs to remember that Rule Number One is Be Polite. Personal attacks are a violation of Rule Number One. At this point, calling someone a hater, a troll, an apologist, a fanboi, etc, etc, etc, is just a personal attack. If you have an actual argument, feel free to post it in a polite way -- without resorting to any of these inflammatory labels. Talk of "grabbing popcorn" is basically the same kind of flamebait.

Thanks.

I'd sell it. If you have thoughts about getting rid of an army, then its time to move on. Selling my own chaos army in the next few days................

In answer to all of the above:

Edited by Manchu

If you're not sure about selling, and you sell, then you regret it later, you're boned.

If you're not sure about selling, and you don't sell, then you're sure about it later, you get probably a better price due to hikes anyway.

There's basically no reason to sell unless you're sure of it and want/need the money now.

If we have to convince you, then it's not the game for you.

 Grey Templar wrote:
You also won't ever get the money back. You'd be lucky to get maybe half of what you paid for the stuff. It costs you nothing to wait.

Its time you could spend on your painting skills.


Getting rid of an army is almost always a decision you will regret. Many people come back to the hobby years later and bemoan that they sold all their models and now have to rebuild from scratch(at higher prices)

Its much cheaper to update an army than start a new one. You already have the core of the army, just buy the new book and maybe 3-5 boxes of new stuff. If you even spend that much.


If I get around to updating my Chaos army I'll only need to buy maybe 3-4 chariots(because I love chariots), a couple Daemon Princes, and a box of Spawn. I already have everything else I need.

This ^^^^