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I have Hive Guard in a bastion. The front fire points of the bastion are clearly facing the front of a Leman Russ. The side fire points which aren't even in line of sight of the Russ would hit it side. The Hive Guard don't need line of sight so is the anything stopping me from shooting out the side fire points not in LoS of the Russ? My opponent of course says no. I don't see anything saying I have to use the front fire points.

If the bastion is in the front arc of the tank, you shoot at the front facing.
It doesn't matter if you can see the side, if you're in the front, you're shooting the front.

Assuming of course the facing of the tank isn't entirely obscured, in which case other rules come into play...

Impaler Cannon specifies you always hit the facing you are in.


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Impaler Cannon specifies you always hit the facing you are in.

a firepoint on the side could be in a different facing than the front one though.

Yes, the Impaler Cannon says you always hit the facing you're in. When you're firing from a firing point on, say, a Bastion you could be in 2 different facings depending on which firing point you shoot from.

I'm not seeing anything that says you must use the firing point that has LoS.

That is basically it the front of the bastion hits his front arc. The side fire points of the bastion hit his side. The side fire points are a side facing away from him.

Er.... you don't need LoS but the impaler shot still comes directly from the dude towards the tank in the nearest fashion. The only way I could really see this hitting the side is if the leman russ is right beside the bastion...

 Spyral wrote:
Er.... you don't need LoS but the impaler shot still comes directly from the dude towards the tank in the nearest fashion. The only way I could really see this hitting the side is if the leman russ is right beside the bastion...

Its easy for one side of the Bastion to be in the front arc and another side to be in the side arc.
Why does it have to be the "nearest fashion"? If they're in range from the "side arc" firing points, what rule prevents them from shooting out of those?

Range and distance are measured from the firing point itself. so its legal to choose which one you are attempting to fire from. Thus determining which facing you would strike. However it should also be noted that only 1 model can fire from each firing point, More than likely if you brood consists of more than 1 model your shots are going to be resolved against multiple facings. As your models cant all shoot out of the most advantageous firing point.

As For the no LOS issue. Check true LOS from the chosen firing point to to the vehicle as if the building wasn't there to determine what facing is most visible.

Backlash wrote:
Range and distance are measured from the firing point itself. so its legal to choose which one you are attempting to fire from. Thus determining which facing you would strike. However it should also be noted that only 1 model can fire from each firing point, More than likely if you brood consists of more than 1 model your shots are going to be resolved against multiple facings. As your models cant all shoot out of the most advantageous firing point.

As For the no LOS issue. Check true LOS from the chosen firing point to to the vehicle as if the building wasn't there to determine what facing is most visible.

Page 93, Firing From Buildings disagrees with the underlined.

Missed that 1, but the concept still remains. You have to pick what points you intend to use and determine facing from said points. 2 models instead of 1, still not the entire unit in most cases. As per the OP's questions there is no rule that states you must fire from the closest firing point.

Ok last question on this one that came up. For the fire point not facing the tank and out of line of sight do you measure distance strait thru the building from the fire point or do you measure it from the fire point then around the corner of the building to the target?

Straight line.