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So, I've been thinking about GH outflanking with a battle leader, or maybe 2 units with a battle leader each, or maybe a wolf priest and a BL.

This is going to be allied with some SM sternguard, and I want them to support them after they've killed the dangerous anti infantry unit they can in turn 1.

Also I really want them to assault, or maybe just be closer to the enemy than the sternguard and "taunt" the enemy player, as they've counterattack.

I was thinking about this:

BL, runic armor, wolf claw, bolter, wulfen, hunter saga, 5+ vs psychic powers thingie
10x GH, standard, 2x plasma, wulfen.

The total is 325 points. It's a pretty nice shooting and assault unit, and as I've not used them, I don't have an idea of how would it work.

Also, I now that IG are better allies overall, mainly because vendettas, but with the new stormtalon point cost, and having a quad, I think I could cover air at my local meta.

Thoughts?

I would go with a wolf priest+saga of hunter over a Wolf Guard battle leader. You don't get the super awesome combat leader, but you save points gain oath of war AND fearless(amazing for a CC unit). WGBL's are not great to begin with, saga on a stock priest would be sufficent.

Add in a wolf guard squad leader with a combi plas, maybe in terminator armor. Now your talking.

Also, consider adding a combi plas to whatever character you end up using for saga.

The thing is, that I've to add 3 wolf guard, right?

As I'm taking them as allies, I'd to take more things to use them.

Maybe I'm wrong, don't have the SW codex here.

Sounds allright, could add a Drop Pod and then before the Veterans assault, the GH just provide support fire just to thin down the numbers on the enemy squad.

btw: are there any wolf priest models????

As Dr Serling said, Wolf priest is way better since he gives you preferred enemy: X so you can throw plasmas on there and blast away.

Combi plas or plasma pistol on the priest, 2 plasmas on the GH, and even a plasma pistol on another GH would be pretty uber.

They become a MASSIVE thorn in the side of your enemy. They give you line breaker, can take out side armor, score forward objectives, blast heavy infantry, the list goes on.

Yeah, and also I noticed he have a 4++.

I don't know why, but when I imagine this unit, I get on my mind a bunch of guys shouting, giving the middle finger, and swearing like there's no tomorrow.

I'll have to model them as that while running.

Take the Priest. Preferred enemy is pretty useful. I also run a WG pack leader with a CML and a wolf claw for challenges. 2 extra bolt shots are nice too! Plus the CML and the storm bolter can do precision shots!

I've run a Saga of the Hunter Wolf priest in a couple of casual games now, and I have to say it can be fun. Have to take out one of my RPs to do it, but rolling up on an objective or a tank with plasma or melta GHs is fun. There is no wolf priest model as such, but you can use an SM chaplain, or just paint a SW model with black armor and give him a power maul.

Make sure and give your Hunters the Wolf Standard. Your units typically will get in one meaningful combat per game, and re rolling all ones in the first phase of that is huge. In my opinion, it's the single most important upgrade Grey Hunters can purchase.

I would give the priest a combi-plasma, Saga of the Hunter, and runic armor. Now he has a 2+4++,and can add two more plasma shots to your out flanking grey Hunters.

With the Grey Hunters, I would make them 10 strong and kit them with 2 x Plasmaguns, Wolf Standard, and Mark of the Wulfen.

If you have the points I would look at adding a second Grey Hunter unit with dual Plasmaguns or Meltaguns. They make a solid midfield objective grabber and can take a drop pod as well.

A unit of Long Fangs is never a bad investment.

If you add all three units, you can go ahead and add 3 wolf guard. For the two grey hunter units, I would give them a combi plasma or melta to compliment that unit, and mark of the wulfen.
For the third wolf guard going with the long Fangs, you can keep him cheap and then he provides a leadership boost and an extra wound. If you have more points, giving him terminator armor makes him more durable. I don't have my codex on me, but I believe you need to take 5 wolf guard in order to unlock a cyclone missile Launcher.

If you really want a nasty unit for the priest to run with, you can run him with a unit of wolf guard stacked with combi meltas or plasmas and a few special cc weapons.

Lots of suggestions depending on how much you want to devote to your allies.


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Also, the Ulrik the Slayermidel is a sweet wolf priest model, although you may want to remove the plasma pistol and replace it with a bolt gun.

Of course the space wolf kit gives a ton of options to build whatever you need.

I couldnt see anyone mentioning this, its illeagal to outflank more than one non-scout unit.

 Dr. Serling wrote:
I would go with a wolf priest+saga of hunter over a Wolf Guard battle leader. You don't get the super awesome combat leader, but you save points gain oath of war AND fearless(amazing for a CC unit). WGBL's are not great to begin with, saga on a stock priest would be sufficent..

Wolf priests are great force multipliers.
Preferred enemy on GH is just as good as prescience for shooting. (Its actually slightly better) You don't need to pass a psychic test to make it happen either.

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If your opponents allow Forge World then I have the best, bar-none, way to outflank a squad of Grey Hunters... they can even show up from your opponent's table edge! "How!?!" you ask? Read Bran Redmaw's entry in Imperial Armour 11. He's a fun and fluffy character, but more importantly he gives a Grey Hunter unit Infiltrate and Behind Enemy Lines. The only downside is that they can't be joined by any Wolf Guard or Wolf Priests since GW FAQed that for the Behind Enemy Lines rule, but the chance to get your Grey Hunters in on your enemy's rear flank is worth it.

Thanks everyone for your responses.

I am actually taking 2 sternguard drop pods in the main army, SW are just allies, and as I need to add another pod, I'm thinking about 1 outflanking with the wolf priest as you said, combi plasma, and gh 2 plasma guys, banner and wulfen.

I'll add another 10 GH in a pod, they're better than vanilla tac, and 40 power armour plus ICs at enemy lines, being 20 sternguards and 20 GH, should be enough to take at least 1 objective and make linebreaker.

Now I must think in what do I have at my deployment zone.

I'm gonna add for sure 9 scouts with Telion on a quad, 10 tacticals with ML and flamer, but I don't know what more. It seems pretty fragile.

If the things went risky, I could outflank the GH and drop the pod ones in my deployment zone, though.


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 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
If your opponents allow Forge World then I have the best, bar-none, way to outflank a squad of Grey Hunters... they can even show up from your opponent's table edge! "How!?!" you ask? Read Bran Redmaw's entry in Imperial Armour 11. He's a fun and fluffy character, but more importantly he gives a Grey Hunter unit Infiltrate and Behind Enemy Lines. The only downside is that they can't be joined by any Wolf Guard or Wolf Priests since GW FAQed that for the Behind Enemy Lines rule, but the chance to get your Grey Hunters in on your enemy's rear flank is worth it.

Wow, that's cool! I don't look FW things very much because here in spain it's not used, but I'm moving to London in april, and I'm pretty sure I could use that there.

 labmouse42 wrote:


Mathammer

I always forget that PE works for to hit and to wound. Not that it's ever cost me a game, but would have been nice for my opponents to remind me >.>


To OP; if you are dead set on outflank, a WP with a combi-plasma is the best option. I run one a lot, and the PE on plasma fire is nasty. Stroll them on, into some area terrain and you'll have a nice 4+ cover save for the whole squad. A TDA WG with them is not a terrible idea either, even with allies. Here's how I do it:

WG x4
TDA, combi-plasma, power axe
PAx3, combi-meltax3, Drop pod.

This gives you the 2+ save for taking challenges (once I had a single challenge last from turn two to turn six because of the power maul that comes with the wolf priest. It was amazing luck on my opponent's part but I don't want to experience that again!) and you also get a 1st turn alpha-strike melta team, leaving your stern guard other jobs.

If you want to limit your points, a DP is just as good as outflanking in most cases...

Following your tips, I made this list:

HQ:

Kantor
Wolf Priest, RA, combi plasma, hunter saga

Troops:

9 scouts + Telion, camo cloaks, snipers
10 tac, ML, flamer
10 GH, banner, 2 plasma, wulfen (wolf priest with them, outflanking)

Elite:

10 sternguard, 5 combi flamer, 5 combi melta, pod (kantor in this one)
10 sternguard, 5 combi flamer, 5 combi melta, pod
4 wolf guard, 1 TDA, combi plas, power weapon, wulfen (this one goes with the GH), 3 power armor, power weapon, combi melta, pod

Heavy:

6 longfangs, 5 ML

Fortification:

Aegis, quad.

1987 points.


Another option should be not adding the longfangs, quit a power weapon from a wolf guard, the wulfen from the TDA wolf guard, add a thunderfire cannon with a pod and give the tact a pod, so the 3 pods (2 sternguard, 3 wg) would arrive on turn one.

Looks good! Except for this:

DakotaBlue wrote:

4 wolf guard, 1 TDA, combi plas, axe, wulfen

MotW or special weapon attacks. You don't get D6 power axe attacks! That would be awesome XD Ditch those 15pts.

I'd also give one 1/2 of the sternguard combi-plasma. Alpha striking terminators with rapid fire plasma leaves a horrible taste in many peoples' mouth.