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 Leonus wrote:
Well, this DOES allow you to plop that 8 strength krak missile/melta-guns on the 4 toughness Chapter Master.

Even vet squads only come with 3. And assuming all 3 hit and wound, that's a 50% chance of failing your LOS roll.


I guess the sudden death of characters never much bothered me. Played Fantasy for too long, where anything that's not gimping ward saves dies with startling regularity.

 Leonus wrote:
Well, this DOES allow you to plop that 8 strength krak missile/melta-guns on the 4 toughness Chapter Master.

Chapter masters tend to be eternal warriors.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Leonus wrote:
Well, this DOES allow you to plop that 8 strength krak missile/melta-guns on the 4 toughness Chapter Master.

Chapter masters tend to be eternal warriors.

Do basic Chapter Masters in the SM codex always come with Eternal Warrior, or Artificer Armour / Any 2+ save?

Because if they're still T4 and 3+, I cannot think of anything more amazing in the new AM codex than Nork's forehead pulping a Chapter Master.

Other than maybe glancing the last HP off a Titan, anyway.

Shield eternal is usually given to a Chapter Master for EW and a 3++

They naturally have a 4++(from the Iron Halo, so it is removable via a shieldbreaker round)

And they can take Artificer Armour or Termi Armour(artificer is a rare take).

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Shield eternal is usually given to a Chapter Master for EW and a 3++

They naturally have a 4++(from the Iron Halo, so it is removable via a shieldbreaker round)

And they can take Artificer Armour or Termi Armour(artificer is a rare take).

You're wrong. Art. Armour is an autotake on a tankercaptain.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Shield eternal is usually given to a Chapter Master for EW and a 3++

They naturally have a 4++(from the Iron Halo, so it is removable via a shieldbreaker round)

And they can take Artificer Armour or Termi Armour(artificer is a rare take).

Well. It's rare I don't take my Vindicare. Now to spend the next four dozen games crippling myself strategically as I try and arrange Nork's forehead to introduce itself to any T4 multi wound model with a 3+.

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
. Now to spend the next four dozen games crippling myself strategically as I try and arrange Nork's forehead to introduce itself to any T4 multi wound model with a 3+.

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That's not crippling yourself, that's forging the narrative!!

Then the chapter master just look out sirs to the choads.

Lungpickle wrote:
Then the chapter master just look out sirs to the choads.

Not if he's in a challenge

Lungpickle wrote:
Then the chapter master just look out sirs to the choads.

why did you use the word choad? That's so childish.

Has anyone considered the possible confliction between Straken's Gung Ho ability and Norks Loyal to the End? Who supercedes who there?

 Frankenberry wrote:
Has anyone considered the possible confliction between Straken's Gung Ho ability and Norks Loyal to the End? Who supercedes who there?

There's no problem there, Straken must always issue or accept challenges.

In the next turn Nork will take over the challenge.

Edit: on a side note, if Nork and Ghazghkull headbutt each other, does the planet split in two?

 grendel083 wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
Has anyone considered the possible confliction between Straken's Gung Ho ability and Norks Loyal to the End? Who supercedes who there?

There's no problem there, Straken must always issue or accept challenges.

In the next turn Nork will take over the challenge.

Edit: on a side note, if Nork and Ghazghkull headbutt each other, does the planet split in two?

The force of the collision would probably create an explosion so powerful it would tear a hole in reality and create a new eye of chaos.

Just as planned...

 grendel083 wrote:

Edit: on a side note, if Nork and Ghazghkull headbutt each other, does the planet split in two?

RAW, Yes.

Have you guys noticed that if you have a Company Command Squad, Lord Comissar and an ordinary Comissar, the ordinary Comissar can be chosen as your warlord. He does not have the chain of command-rule, as it´s a rule only for the Lord Comissar...

Hermie wrote:
Have you guys noticed that if you have a Company Command Squad, Lord Comissar and an ordinary Comissar, the ordinary Comissar can be chosen as your warlord. He does not have the chain of command-rule, as it´s a rule only for the Lord Comissar...

I don't believe this is correct. I'm pretty sure your HQ has to be eligible to be your mandatory HQ.

edit:

Comissar (and all regimental specialists) reads thus:

They do not take up a force organisation slot, and do not qualify as a mandatory HQ selection.

Warlord reads

This is always the HQ choice character with the highest leadership.

The comissar is not *actually* an HQ choice, it's sort-of like a dedicated transport - it's slotted in near the HQs, because that's the best place to put it, but it is *not* an HQ choice.

If it wasn't a HQ choice, why would they say it doesn't fill up a slot?
This seems to show they indeed are a HQ choice, but I really doubt this is intended. I don't think I'd let it fly myself

The commissar is an HQ choice, he just doesn't take up an HQ slot.

Then after warlord traits he stops being an HQ at all and becomes a troops or elite, as he must be assigned to one of those units(well he could be assigned to the HQ unit that contain he who should be warlord).

Why does the commissar stop being a HQ if he's assigned to a unit from another entry? Is it not like when a IC joins a unit but with the difference that the commissar must?

From the moment he is attached he is never a unit on his own, he(and all unit leader splitters) are fully and completely part of the unit they join; including their Battlefield Role.

SW FAQ explains the rules pretty well:
Q: If a Wolf Guard Pack Leader has joined a unit of Troops, does that unit cease to be a scoring unit? And does the Wolf Guard cease to count as an Elite model? (p86)
A: When a Wolf Guard model joins another unit because of his Pack Leader special rule he becomes part of that unit to all intents and purposes. For instance, a Pack Leader that leads a Troops unit will still be able to claim an objective even if his Troops unit is wiped out – he is considered to be part of that Troops unit. He would also still be able to deploy in a mission that only allows Troops units to be deployed at first. Conversely, a Pack Leader that leads a Long Fang unit is counted as part of a Heavy Support choice, even if under the effects of Logan Grimnar’s The Great Wolf special rule. This also applies to the calculation of victory points – the Wolf Guard who have been split off from their original Wolf Guard unit count as part of their assigned unit in all respects. For example, I have a Wolf Guard squad of 10 and I like to split 3 of them off to be Wolf Guard Pack Leaders, one to lead my Blood Claws, one to lead my Grey Hunters, one to lead my Long Fangs. My opponent would score one victory point if he kills off all 7 of the Wolf Guard left in the squad after splitting, who are still forming a ‘normal’ unit. He doesn't need to kill all 10 of the Wolf Guard to get that victory point, as the other three Wolf Guard are now part of other squads. Conversely, because the Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are attached to these new squads, he would not score a victory point for killing those squads unless he kills ALL of the models in those packs, including the Wolf Guard Pack Leaders.

Hermie wrote:
Why does the commissar stop being a HQ if he's assigned to a unit from another entry? Is it not like when a IC joins a unit but with the difference that the commissar must?

He's not a choice, and he's not an HQ choice, he's simply joined to a squad.

If you attached him to a CCS, he COULD be your warlord, since then he fits the description of the BRB, but then he's just worse than the CC.

He doesn't join the CCS(or any unit) until after warlord traits are determined.

And Yes, he is an HQ selected from the Codex armylist at that time.

The real question is can non-FOC-occupying HQ Characters be your Warlord.

Old IG Dex said No, and that was good enough for Necron Lords and Crypteks, but we no longer have an official voice on the subject.

OK so I've a question.

Tank Commanders - The Tank Commander's Leman Russ cannot leave the unit...

Does this mean, he cannot abandon a Russ if the Russ gets Immobilised?


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Also - Commissar Yarrick. Yarrick has both Chain of Command and Senior Officer.

Now from my reading, Yarrick and Lord Commissars cannot be the Warlord if you have a model with Senior Officer. This means, that if you include Yarrick, no Commissars (including himself) can be the Warlord.

 Happyjew wrote:
OK so I've a question.

Tank Commanders - The Tank Commander's Leman Russ cannot leave the unit...

Does this mean, he cannot abandon a Russ if the Russ gets Immobilised?


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Also - Commissar Yarrick. Yarrick has both Chain of Command and Senior Officer.

Now from my reading, Yarrick and Lord Commissars cannot be the Warlord if you have a model with Senior Officer. This means, that if you include Yarrick, no Commissars (including himself) can be the Warlord.

The Tank Commanders unit can abandon immobilized squadmates, including himself. This is because he is not leaving the unit in either case.

Yarrick HIWPI:
Yarrick as lone HQ, Warlord.
Yarrick with CCS; Co. Commander is warlord(chain of command takes precedence here)
Yarrick with other Lord Commissar: Yarrick is warlord(because of Senior Officer)
Yarrick with any other HQ: Yarrick is warlord(because he will have the Highest Ld)1

While I agree with you on intent (for Tank Commanders) I don't quite think the rules support it. Normally, a squadron can ditch abandon an Immobilised member.

Example A: 2 LRBT in a squadron. LRBT A gets Immobilised, LRBT B abandons it, you now have two LRBT units, each consisting of a single LRBT.

Now, a Tank Commander has a special rule saying he cannot leave his unit, nor join another unit. This conflicts with the general abandonment rules and would take precedence.

Example: LRBT (TC) and LRBT A in a squadron. LRBT A gets Immobilised. Normally, the TC can abandon him giving you two LRBT units. However, since the TC cannot leave the unit, he must stay with the Immobilised tank.


Now I don't think it was intended to work like this, and would not ever try to force my opponent to do so.

the abandonment rules are not that Tank A leaves Tank B, it is that the unit leaves tank B.

Even though the unit only consists of Tank a as leaving, it is not the same as Tank A leaving the unit. In other words when leaving Tank B behind, the Tank Commander it taking the unit with him.

In the case that the Tank Commander is Tank B it goes the same way; he isn't leaving the unit, the unit is leaving him.

I covered yarrick's chain of command and senior officer problem in the very first post of this thread.

Regardless of if the commissar is an HQ choice or not, he wouldn't have the highest leadership ever, and therefore wouldn't be the warlord, right?


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Also, I have a feeling that all the precision shot confusion will be cleared up by 7th ed making it a legit special rule.

Base commissar has the same Ld as a Company Commander(9); so would be an HQ choice character tied with the highest Ld.

Yarrick and Lord commissars have a higher Ld