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Here's an aircav Vanilla list. Needs help I want to make the best of the Vanilla dex so cheap TH/SS terminators and Ironclads riding in the Stormraven. Really low on scoring and not happy with HQ that is forced by FOC...

Master of the Forge 100

5 TH/SS terminators 200
5 TH/SS terminators 200
Ironclad: heavy flamer 145

Tac squad: Rhino 125
Tac squad: Rhino 125
Scout squad: camocloaks 90

Stormtalon: skyhammer 125
Stormtalon: skyhammer 125

Stormraven 200
Stormraven 200
Ironclad 135

Aegis: comms relay 80

1850 on the nose

Well if you are going with the MotF then at least give him a conversion beamer to sit behind the defense line with. I also assume the tac squads have the free flamer and missle launcher as otherwise you should take them.

I play against storm ravens a lot and I find they really arn't that great as transports given the high value of the cargo they often carry means they are target number 1. Dreads can be okay but for the most part you want them as gunships, not battle taxis.

What I'd take instead of the termies are some strenguard in pods to give you more bodies on the field and given this is a shooting edition more firepower to boot.

 buddha wrote:
.I play against storm ravens a lot and I find they really arn't that great as transports given the high value of the cargo they often carry means they are target number 1. Dreads can be okay but for the most part you want them as gunships, not battle taxis.

While I kind of agree with what you are saying. All flies are high priority targets any more but at least the TH/SS terminators get a decent save if they get shot down

 General_Chaos wrote:

 buddha wrote:
.I play against storm ravens a lot and I find they really arn't that great as transports given the high value of the cargo they often carry means they are target number 1. Dreads can be okay but for the most part you want them as gunships, not battle taxis.

While I kind of agree with what you are saying. All flies are high priority targets any more but at least the TH/SS terminators get a decent save if they get shot down

I guess for me it's just too big a risk versus very little reward. With all the units being transported each storm raven is worth around 540pts which is just a crazy good target and too dangerous in my book. Yes, termies can save the crash but do you really want to give your opponent free str.10 wounds on your valuable units?

What do I drop to get conversion beamer on MoTF?

You don't get free flamers or MLs with tac squads in fact your prohibited from taking them even for a points cost.

Yes you can go shooty with SRs but such a list is better done with Necrons. Vanillas get the cheapest SR+TH/SS combo. Plus having 2 on the board gives me the target saturation. I could go triple Raven dropping the Ironclads and Stormtalons?

I don't see a lot of models at the begginning of the game. You may get boned if there are objectives.

What about a fluffy list:

Calgar

3x TH/SS Squads
3x Ravens

leaves around 375-400 points for troops that can survive 1 turn. say AGL with Comms relay plus camo cloak scouts?

Your kind of list no?

 FlingitNow wrote:
What do I drop to get conversion beamer on MoTF?

You don't get free flamers or MLs with tac squads in fact your prohibited from taking them even for a points cost.

Yes you can go shooty with SRs but such a list is better done with Necrons. Vanillas get the cheapest SR+TH/SS combo. Plus having 2 on the board gives me the target saturation. I could go triple Raven dropping the Ironclads and Stormtalons?

Oh you have the tac squads as 5 men, I thought they were 10. Then they really need to be beefed up.

I'd do the following then. Drop 1 storm talon and beef up both tac squads to 10. Drop one ironcald and buy a pod for the remaining. This means you don't need the MotF so switch to a termi librarian with null zone. With the remaining points I think there is enough to fit in a thunderfire cannon as you need a wound generator if you are facing hordes.

So this should leave you with 2 full tac squads, a scout squad behind a defense line, 3 flyers, 10 termies, a dread in a pod, and a thunderfire which should keep you very TAC. You can also ditch the defense line and the scouts for a third tac squad as well to help beef up your numbers.

What are you planning on carrying in the Storm Ravens, the dreads or the Termis? I would assume the termis, and if so you have to find the points for drop pods for the dreads if you want them to do anything at all in your games.

Buddha so you're suggesting drop podding in a solo Ironclad unsupported? No thanks.

Pony law both terminators and dreads go in the Ravens.


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So triple raven would look like this:

Libby 100

5 TH/SS Terminators 200
5 TH/SS Terminators 200
5 TH/SS Terminators 200

10 tac marines: plasma, combiplasma, missile, Rhino 225
10 tac marines: plasma, combiplasma, missile, Rhino 225

Stormraven 200
Stormraven 200
Stormraven 200


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That 2nd list is only 1750 for 1850 it would take an aegis probably with quadgun though comms relay would probably be better.