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so im going to convert some mantic forgefathers into [edited] a short demihuman alien race and i was wondering what everyones opinions are on which list to use to best represent them.

any opinion would be appreciated.
im also looking for some conversions or examples of the mantic FF if anyone has any.


topic edited to avoid issues...
find a list for the forgefathers!

For grmpy, bearded, guys who like heavy weapons , beer, and bikes I say Space Wolves all the way. Thats what I use my squats for.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
id like to avoid the demiurg are/are not the same as squats please.

The easy way to avoid that is to not list them as the same thing, since they're not.



If you want to play them as Squats, I would recommend using either Space Wolves (for the more feral feel) or regular Marines (to allow for heavy guns, and in either case use a lot of Scouts since regular Squat troopers don't wear power armour.


To run them as Demiurg... no idea, really, since we don't have anything much to go on as to how Demiurg fight on the ground. Probably use Tau or Guard, just as a guess.

couldnt resist eh insaniak... thanks.
a lot of people compare them and thats what i was asking not to do least the thread be derailed.
call them what you will, the forgefathers have a power armor feel to them or at least a heavy armor look.
i was considering guard but im not sure whether or not i can get over the T3 although the sheer amount of heavy weapons that they can bring seems to fit.

thanks Mr S B.
i was leaning towards dark angels for just about the same reason. DA are stubborn and can run bikes at will and have all of the latest goodies.

I always took them as a Guard like army, since that's what I've always seen them as proxies for or shown as in the fluff.

Then again, Squats were retconned long before my time

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
couldnt resist eh insaniak... thanks.
a lot of people compare them and thats what i was asking not to do least the thread be derailed.
call them what you will, the forgefathers have a power armor feel to them or at least a heavy armor look.

The point is that if Squats and Demiurg aren't the same, then suggesting a list for you to use means considering which of them you're actually going with. I thought that was clear from the rest of my post.

It's like saying 'I want to build an army of AdMech or Necrumunda PDF... which codex should I use?'


I did offer suggestions for both, though. You're welcome.





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Although now your OP is even more confusing. Do you want demihumans, or aliens?

Squats aren't aliens.

my OP isnt confusing... i dont want demiurg or squats. i want a list that fits the look of the forgefather models.
are squats from outer space? if so then they're aliens.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
my OP isnt confusing... i dont want demiurg or squats. i want a list that fits the look of the forgefather models.
are squats from outer space? if so then they're aliens.

It is a bit confusing honestly. At first you asked about Squats (which aren't Aliens, they are abhumans. So more mutant than alien) and demiurgs, then generic-ish aliens to fit the Forgefather models (which, are basically Mantic's Not-Squats like the Corporation are the Not-Imperial Guard and the Enforcers are the Not-Space Marines).

But yes, Squats are your best bet. To represent them I would use either the Space Wolves list or a IG list that is HW heavy.

Squats are abhumans, like Ratlings or Ogryn. Humans mutated/adapted to different worlds/living conditions.

I would say that if you are making an army completely out of mantic Forgefathers, I would run them as some flavor of Space Marines.

Use their normal lighter-armored troops as Scouts with bolters, and the heavier ones as full Marines (or maybe just the lighter ones as Marines, as the heavier ones would need some conversions to carry appropriate weapons).

Their Iron Ancestor is great for a dreadnought with close combat weapon and either twin-lascannons or twin-autocannons, just built as a stock model. Soon they will be releasing one with two of the ranged weapon arms, obviously meant to be the now-ubiquitous Rifleman dread setup.

I would assume their weapon platform on treads would be a stand-in for a Thunderfire Cannon.

I maintain that anyone going for a "Squat" army (as they were presented originally, not the somewhat skewed view of them that people have now) should use the Ork Codex. Squats weren't Dwarf Space Marines, they were crazy bikers and rag-tag warriors, buoyed by a few units in Power Armor.

That is true. They were Imperial Guard with lots of heavy weapons and a dwarf theme, with bikers.

You could easily use them as a "Demiurg" army, as next to nothing is canon about them, so you have lots of freedom.

i think thats what im going to do aegis, thanks.

i think ive decided on using the necron dex.

Necron dex? I'm kinda curious why, not to say it's a bad pick, im just really really curious as to the rational. Necrons don't really fit the feel at all to me

My first inclination with space dwarves is to go with the IG codex.

However, with the Forgefather look, armor, weapons, etc, Space Marines are definitely your best bet. Space Wolves have that nordic feel, but it might be better served by a basic Space Marine shooty army. Either is fine.

In fact, looking at the Forgefather army list, it's pretty clear that the list of units is at least partially intended to line up quite well with Space Marine units. I don't consider that a bad thing, just an observation.

Can you run them as count-as Inquisitors retinue? That way for the Forgefathers with heavier armour you can upgrade to carpace.

the reason i was thinking necrons over guard is due to the armor. the forgefathers look like they're wearing at least carapace but more towards power armor. i also dont think that they should be toughness 3.
i was thinking guys without helmets are warriors, 4+ save. guys with helms are immortals, 3+ save.
i also remember reading that the demiurg are into robots and in one story they actually destroyed a necron hive fleet using nanobots. i thought that tomb spyders being modeled as larger bots distributing smaller bots (scarabs) would be cool.

i havent found a home for the forgefather jotuun gun though to be honest.

my second choice would be marines but since i also run grey knights i thought something with a slighly different feel might be fun.

and try to keep in mind, im strictly looking at rules, not so much theme. if i go with the necron dex they wont be anything along the same path appearancewise, just the rules.

http://www.ninjabread.co.uk/

Scroll down, this guy runs an awesome squats army (in addition to having probably the best 40k webcomic... of all time. (I'm sorry, Turn Signals...)

Grey Knights feel like a good fit, they have the Squat psyker resistance (or is this a dwarf thing...) and Jokaero.

Using the necron codex with Mantic forgfathermodels is ridiculous, nearly as ridiculous as using the Tyranid codex for Mantic corporation models.

They don't look anything alike.

IG, Space-wolves (or C:SM) or bust.

@cheesedoodler - theyre not supposed to look alike. we're talking a rules to miniature look.

@asmodai - thanks for the link, that whole page is just sick with amazing models.

I have seen online a guy who used forgefathers as battle sisters.

Here is the link.

http://www.gowarhead.com/p/hammering-warpath.html

Scroll down past the corporation zombies (chaos daemons of nurgle) and veermyn (dark eldar) and you will see the forgefathers.

@rohansoldier - thanks for that, this some real inspiring stuff on there.