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Hello community of wargamers, I have acquired a Chaos Space Marines codex after much anticipation as well as two boxes of marines and a rhino. I haven't played with them at all except for a skirmish against my own Necrons, which I lost. Soooo, the following list is purely conceptual based on what seems to me that would perform well. I am not going with any kind of themed army, the marks are all just for functionality and added lulz.

HQ
Chaos Lord- 135 Plas. pistol, PW, SoC, MoN

TROOPS
Space Marines-235 Plas. gun, HB, MoN, Champion w/PF, Plas. pistol

Space Marines-225 Same as above, PW instead of PF

Rhino- 67 extra combi-bolter, combi-melta, havoc launcher, gargoyles

ELITES
Helbrute-125 Plasma cannon, heavy flamer, PF

FAST ATTACK
Raptors-300 2 plas. pistols, MoS, icon of excess, Champion w/PF, plas. pistol

Heldrake-170 Baleflamer

HEAVY SUPPORT
Havocs-170 4 ML w/flakk missiles

Havocs-155 4 Lascannons



Now, I know that this list has a total of 1570 points, but I simply don't know where to cut off points! i would even want to fit in an aegis defence line w/quad gun. Also another point that I think my list has is that there aren't enough troops. I always seem to make this mistake because I'm used to just wanting to kill things and objectives fall to a lesser priority. Should I add more troops? split them into more squads? I need help people, and I want you guys to suggest things to me. thanks in advance!

You only have two scoring units. I will say I am like you in the fact that I get excited by killing things! But chaos space marines are tough as hell and can deal out a good beating of there own. When my Word Bearers go to battle the hellbrute gets walloped first, maybe play him a few games and see if he is doing it for ya. I like the hell drake and the havocs though!

Drop all plasma pistols. Switch out plasma on raptors for melta guns. Drop their marks .&icon.

Also remember that as Chaos, you /have/ to issue and accept challenges. Double check if that is the load-out you want on your champs.

The chaos lord is wasted if he is just foot slogging with the basic CSM unit. you could do with dropping the heavy bolter from the CSM unit and going all plasma if shooty or all melta + plasma pistol + pistol + CC weapon minus bolter if assaulty (the ones in the rhino).

The rhino has got too much on it. It should be getting 18" across the board in the first turn. (Ignoring the overspend) your not far from dropping all the additionals for a second rhino.

The plasma cannon on the helbrute is a welcome sight for when terminators or equivalent deep strike or even just get out of bed.

Agree with previous post about raptors running with melta guns (to shot and charge or for anti-armour) in the squad but I do try to get the points for the plasma pistol on the champion; keep their marks and icon.

There is certainly scope to get the points down to 1500.
Mixing in HB with the ML havocks would get you 30
Stripping the rhino 30ish
2 PF to Pweapons 20
2 Plasma Pistols to Melta Guns 10
1 Plasma Gun to Meltagun 5
1 HB to Melta Gun 0
1 HB to Plasma Gun -5 (Sorry)

I think that gets rid of the overspend and gives you enough to get the lord a jump pack to run him with the raptors.

Good luck with it.

 Jasper wrote:
The chaos lord is wasted if he is just foot slogging with the basic CSM unit. you could do with dropping the heavy bolter from the CSM unit and going all plasma if shooty or all melta + plasma pistol + pistol + CC weapon minus bolter if assaulty (the ones in the rhino).

The rhino has got too much on it. It should be getting 18" across the board in the first turn. (Ignoring the overspend) your not far from dropping all the additionals for a second rhino.

The plasma cannon on the helbrute is a welcome sight for when terminators or equivalent deep strike or even just get out of bed.

Agree with previous post about raptors running with melta guns (to shot and charge or for anti-armour) in the squad but I do try to get the points for the plasma pistol on the champion; keep their marks and icon.

There is certainly scope to get the points down to 1500.
Mixing in HB with the ML havocks would get you 30
Stripping the rhino 30ish
2 PF to Pweapons 20
2 Plasma Pistols to Melta Guns 10
1 Plasma Gun to Meltagun 5
1 HB to Melta Gun 0
1 HB to Plasma Gun -5 (Sorry)

I think that gets rid of the overspend and gives you enough to get the lord a jump pack to run him with the raptors.

Good luck with it.

, so for now, I'l
Thanks all for the suggestions, sorry for not responding quicker!
I could drop the icon and marks for the raptors bringing them down to 215. Champion w/PW.

That alone kills the overspend. I think I'll drop the combi-melta on the rhino to give the lord a jump pack to run him with the raptors, yeah? As for the HB on the CSM squad I already glued them I really want it to be as WYSIWYG as possible so for now I'll keep it like that.


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Now, this would give me an extra 80 points to spend because I'm at 1420. Now I can fit in another rhino w/ extra bolter and havor launcher for 52 points. Now both squads are in metal bawkses. Suggestions on what to do with the extra 30 points? Maybe re-add some marks to the raptors?

I seem to recall that you can run the raptors as a 5 man squad with a full complement of meltas so perhaps drop them down in size and that could leave you enough (+ that extra 30) for another mini-squad of troop marines to camp objectives and drink earl grey in the backfield?

Well,that's a good idea but 5 raptors ARENT' KILLY ENUFF! Ive decided that I'm okay with two troops because 1/3 of the missions you can use either fast attack or heavy support to capture objectives, 1/6 is killing stuff,and basically I would onlybhave trouble with crusade, but oh well that's how the cookie crumbles. Thanks everybody for the help in polishhing up my army. I'm going to try out and see how the helbrute works out and see if I switch that out for anything.



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