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Looking through the new book, it appears that the Icons don't need to be on the table at the start of the turn in order to work. Am I missing something, or is this a change in mechanics?

The book is written to affect models that have been deployed.

Units in reserve have not been deployed.

I'm talking about bringing on a unit with an icon via Deep Strike, then using the icon (and potentially an instrument as well) to deep strike a second unit in the same turn without scatter. Previous codexes had a line that the item had to be on the table at the start of the turn in order to work, but I can't find a line like that.

You appear to be right, I wouldn't be shocked if it gets FAQ'd though, seems a bit strange that they would give that advantage to such a deep strike heavy force of all things.

It has to be on the board at the beginning of the movement phase. Check your BRB rules.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Previous codexes had a line that the item had to be on the table at the start of the turn in order to work, but I can't find a line like that.

Isn't that in the main rule book, not the Codex?
Would look it up but I'm away from my books.

 grendel083 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Previous codexes had a line that the item had to be on the table at the start of the turn in order to work, but I can't find a line like that.

Isn't that in the main rule book, not the Codex?
Would look it up but I'm away from my books.

I checked my Dark Angels codex as it was the closest thing to hand and it specifically says Teleport Homers and Locator Beacons have to be on the table to start the turn, suggesting to me it's not something built into the 6th edition rules.

I can't imagine where in the Core Rules there would be a clause saying you can't benefit from wargear that isn't on the table when the turn starts, so I don't even really know where to start looking for the purported rule there.

As written, the Icon of Chaos does not need to be on the table at the beginning of the turn in order to function. It does not reference any USR or existing teleport homer rules. I suspect this will get a FAQ.

 Azrell wrote:
It has to be on the board at the beginning of the movement phase. Check your BRB rules.

Incorrect, there is no such stipulation about Chaos Icons in the rulebook. If you disagree then please provide rules as required byt he tenets of this forum.

Yes, if you deepstrike an icon any further units deepstriing that turn can use the icon.

Here is the wording on the icon

"When determining the assault result, add one to your total if there are one or more friendly units with an Icon of Chaos locked in that combat."

"In Addition, if the first model from a friendly unit arriving by deep strike is placedwithin 6" of at least one model with an Icon of Chaos, the following rules apply:

- If the unit attempting to deep strike and the unit with the Icon of Chaos have the same daemonic alignment ( Daemon of X special rule) then the unit attempting to Deep strike does not scatter.

- If the unit attempting to Deep strike and the unit with the Icon of Chaos have different Daemonic alignments, but are entirely composed of models with the daemon special rule, then the unit attempting to Deep strike scatters d6", rather the usual amount.

- If etither the unit attempting to deepstrike or the unit with the Icon of chaos are not entirely composed of models with the daemon special rule, the icon of chaos has no additional effect.


Now the instrument of chaos works different, to make it short, with the instrument if it deep strikes first in and succesfully I believe it can bring in another unit in reserve that has yet to deepstrike without scatter.


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Also, for the icon to work the unit needs to be in reserve and has not had a reserve roll made for it yet.

zephel wrote:
Also, for the icon to work the unit needs to be in reserve and has not had a reserve roll made for it yet.

Well, in that case, the reserve roll has already been made for subsequently arriving units in the same turn, so you cannot chain deep-strike. Curious that they'd inverse the reasoning on it, but the effect should be the same.

Pyrian wrote:

zephel wrote:
Also, for the icon to work the unit needs to be in reserve and has not had a reserve roll made for it yet.

Well, in that case, the reserve roll has already been made for subsequently arriving units in the same turn, so you cannot chain deep-strike. Curious that they'd inverse the reasoning on it, but the effect should be the same.

He's got it the wrong way around, that restriction isn't on the icon, it's on the instrument.

It seems a strange choice, all it does is force you to roll for instrument units before your other stuff really.