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Looking at p.94 of the new Daemon's Codex, I'm a little confused regarding this:

Heralds of Chaos: Each primary detachement in your army may include 4 heralds of chaos, chosen in any combination from the following models: [...]

If I field Daemons as allies, can I field a single herald as the HQ choice, or is this rule preventing any daemon heralds from being played outside of a daemon army.

I hope this question makes sense.

Thanks.

Due to the wording you posted, in a primary detachment, each HQ slot allows 2 Heralds. In an allied detachment, you can only take 1 Herald.

It's 4 for 1 slot, but it's not the part I'm interested in.

What has me confused is ' Is this the only way to buy heralds, or can you field them like another HQ ( like a greater daemon ) '

Harold's are a legal HQ choice per their listing in the HQ section.

The part you quoted is a rule allowing multiple heralds to be used as 1 HQ slot in primary detachments. It doesnt stop the herald from being a HQ choice for allies, only multiple heralds from being a single HQ slot.

 BarBoBot wrote:
Harold's are a legal HQ choice per their listing in the HQ section.

Harolds?

Could you make a case, given the way it's worded, for taking Allied Daemons but including 4 heralds as one of the HQ choices from your main force?:

"Each primary detachment in your army may include up to four Heralds of Chaos"

edit: I suppose this once again boils down to GW's poor definition of Army?

 Drunkspleen wrote:
Could you make a case, given the way it's worded, for taking Allied Daemons but including 4 heralds as one of the HQ choices from your main force?:

"Each primary detachment in your army may include up to four Heralds of Chaos"

No, as your Primary detachment is not picked from the Daemons Codex.

As it's written Allied detachments may not take Heralds in the same way as you cannot take a Servitor Squad without a Techmarine. Of course, I'm pretty sure only the 4 for 1 option is supposed to be disallowed, but as written Allied Heralds are off the table.

A couple edits to what people have said:

First, When Deamons are your PRIMARY army, you can take up to 4 of them, but doing so only uses ONE HQ slot (you can still fill the other with anything EXCEPT Heralds). The issue here is that you may not take any other heralds if you do this (since it says UP TO 4) and does not say any more than that; nor does it say that they may take up to 8 with 4 counting as one choice.
Justification: Since it says that you may take UP TO 4 heralds, it does not say that you may take them in other special ways.

Second: Since it states that the primary MAY include up X many, and there are no direct references to being taken as allies, then they are treated as normal HQs and they each take a slot
Justification: Base rules are ALWAYS in effect UNLESS a specific rule contradicts it. Since nothing says that they CANNOT be take the normal way, then they still can - since the base way is that each entry choice is one slot.

So: As allies, you may take up to ONE herald per HQ slot that you can dedicate to them (so only ONE). You may NOT take more than one.

Amaraxis wrote:
A couple edits to what people have said:

First, When Deamons are your PRIMARY army, you can take up to 4 of them, but doing so only uses ONE HQ slot (you can still fill the other with anything EXCEPT Heralds). The issue here is that you may not take any other heralds if you do this (since it says UP TO 4) and does not say any more than that; nor does it say that they may take up to 8 with 4 counting as one choice.
Justification: Since it says that you may take UP TO 4 heralds, it does not say that you may take them in other special ways.

Second: Since it states that the primary MAY include up X many, and there are no direct references to being taken as allies, then they are treated as normal HQs and they each take a slot
Justification: Base rules are ALWAYS in effect UNLESS a specific rule contradicts it. Since nothing says that they CANNOT be take the normal way, then they still can - since the base way is that each entry choice is one slot.

So: As allies, you may take up to ONE herald per HQ slot that you can dedicate to them (so only ONE). You may NOT take more than one.

To be fair, I don't have the codex and was going off a combination of what was posted and the old codex (where one HQ slot = 2 Heralds).

 Happyjew wrote:

Amaraxis wrote:
A couple edits to what people have said:

To be fair, I don't have the codex and was going off a combination of what was posted and the old codex (where one HQ slot = 2 Heralds).

I wasn't picking on it - and honestly I reread all the rules for them and the core like 5 more times just to make sure I had them all worded properly...I wasn't picking - just stating interpretation and the backing my ruling with reason...

Amaraxis wrote:

So: As allies, you may take up to ONE herald per HQ slot that you can dedicate to them (so only ONE). You may NOT take more than one.

Exactly. Note that even in a Daemon Primary Detachment that the Masque and Blue Scribes are not counted in the special rule that allows multiple Heralds per HQ slot. This may be a mistake, but at present they still take a full HQ slot for each.

They also stand apart from all the "Herald" things as they are not Independent Characters.

I personally think it's not a mistake for that reason, either way, until a FAQ says otherwise the way to play it is very clear.

I'm looking at my codex now, and by my reading there is no way to take heralds in an allied detachment.
The wording is very clear.

 marv335 wrote:
I'm looking at my codex now, and by my reading there is no way to take heralds in an allied detachment.
The wording is very clear.

Like I said earlier - and read your BRB, They are STILL NORMAL HQs....the optional rule in the CDC is a special circumstance that is in addition to the ones in the BRB since it does not say anywhere that they cannot be bought per normal rules...hence - 1 Herald as an ally

As above. Absolutely nothing overrides you are ability to take a single herald as an HQ choice.

 Amaraxis wrote:

 marv335 wrote:
I'm looking at my codex now, and by my reading there is no way to take heralds in an allied detachment.
The wording is very clear.

Like I said earlier - and read your BRB, They are STILL NORMAL HQs....the optional rule in the CDC is a special circumstance that is in addition to the ones in the BRB since it does not say anywhere that they cannot be bought per normal rules...hence - 1 Herald as an ally

It's worded exactly the same way as a Dark Angels Techmarine or Command Squad. Can I take a Command Squad as my only HQ in Dark Angels army?