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What gear should I put on these fellas? I usually (for the archon) go drugs, agoniser, shadow field, blast pistol/blaster, haemonculli:archangel of pain and venom blade, succubus agoniser. Are hydra gauntlets at all useful?

What gear should I put on these fellas? I usually (for the archon) go drugs, agoniser, shadow field, blast pistol/blaster, haemonculli:archangel of pain and venom blade, succubus agoniser. Are hydra gauntlets at all useful?

Haemonculi- keep them cheap. Liquifier and maybe a Venom Blade.

Succubus- don't take one? Seriously, they aren't very good. If you are dead set on one, an Agonizer or Venom Blade and Haywire Grenades.

Archon- Shadowfield is a must. I'd recommend either an Agonizer or Venom Blade as a weapon. Drugs, a Blaster, and Haywire Grenades are the only other things I'd consider.


You have to keep in mind that despite a nice statline on paper, these characters are role players, not world beaters. As such, you have to keep the point cost in line. An Archon with an Agonizer only averages about 2 wounds on enemy targets. Thus, the Venom Blade is worth considering. Usually, they are only there to help units like Harlies anyway.

Succusbus are amasing for the price at any point level.

Archon can easaly have a good blaster. Or he gives grenades to non grenade units.

Haemonculy are potatoes, they can be used for everything.

Haem gets a liquifier and V.blade. Shattershard if im feeling fancy.

Succusbus gets plain V.blade or agoniser.

Archon gets either Djin blade + Blaster or huskblade, V.blade and soultrap. Both go with shadowfield.

 JGrand wrote:


Archon- Shadowfield is a must. I'd recommend either an Agonizer or Venom Blade as a weapon. Drugs, a Blaster, and Haywire Grenades are the only other things I'd consider.
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Do you really need the blaster pistol and haywire grenades? Seems like one is enough.

BaconUprising wrote:
What gear should I put on these fellas? I usually (for the archon) go drugs, agoniser, shadow field, blast pistol/blaster, haemonculli:archangel of pain and venom blade, succubus agoniser. Are hydra gauntlets at all useful?

Haemonculi- keep them super cheap. They aren't CC characters and your usually only taking them for the pain token, unlocking wracks as troops, or keeping Grotesques from imploding. Just take a Liquifier.

Succubus- are freaking awesome for the points. Their base stat line is very good, and they are very cheap, just make sure the equipment doesn't make them too expensive. Leave the Wyche weapons (hydras, Shardnets, Razorflails) for Wyches/Bloodbrides. I recommend just taking a Venom blade and Haywires.

Archon- people love them, but I'm generally not a HeroHammer sort of player. So if I'm dumping a ton of points on HQs I want them to buff the whole army, or be included for fluff reasons. If you really must take an archon, you can either go cheap (venom blade, Blaster, and just take pot shots), or a Phantasm with CC upgrades if in an Incubi unit (gets expensive), etc. If you start gearing him for CC the Shadowfield is the obvious choice and is taken on nearly all archons.
All that said, I generally take either the Baron, the Duke, or even Lady Malys or Lelith, before going for an Archon.

Haemonculi as everyone has said go dirt cheap

Succubus, Ive had best luck with and Agoniser + haywire dirt cheap and is a beast in CC

Archon I like to go shadow field, soul trap, husk blade, and blast pistol + drugs if you got 10 spare points.

Just wish soul trap worked on all chars not just IC and MC

Yeah I stay away from huskblade/soul trap.. So many points and having to kill an IC/MC to get it going is pretty difficult in most games.

Archon - Shadowfield, Venom Blade/Agonizer, Blaster (if taking venom blade), and CD if you have the spare 10 points. For very specific units -- Incubi and Grotesques -- you want to take the PGL too. My favorite is just SF, VB, and blaster.

Succubus -- haywire grenades + a venom blade/agonizer.

Haemonculus -- Almost always just take liquifier/shatter shard + venom blade.

Do you really need the blaster pistol and haywire grenades? Seems like one is enough.

I don't think I'd really take either. Just mentioned them as "decent" optional gear.

I swear husk blades are ap2. I usually use 4 Incubi and an archon with a husk blade in a venom and chew up 10 man termie squads.

 minigun762 wrote:

 JGrand wrote:


Archon- Shadowfield is a must. I'd recommend either an Agonizer or Venom Blade as a weapon. Drugs, a Blaster, and Haywire Grenades are the only other things I'd consider.
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Do you really need the blaster pistol and haywire grenades? Seems like one is enough.

blast pistols are terribad. 6" range just doesnt cut it. Take the full blaster for the same points and shoot things out to 18"

Lately I have been running an archon with blaster, huskblade, soultrap, combat drugs, shadowfield with a unit of 4 incubi in a venom. Has not performed at all well so far, but then in the first game he got hit with a demolisher cannon or something and of course I roll a 1 on his save. The next game he got into combat with some DA TH/SS termies, wounding on 6+ I think due to extra toughness if i remember right and still only reducing them to a 3+ save hasn't worked.

Never ran a succubus.

I sometimes run a haemy with a hex rifle again never done too much, but I like the chance of the insta kill.

 Shredder wrote:
Lately I have been running an archon with blaster, huskblade, soultrap, combat drugs, shadowfield with a unit of 4 incubi in a venom. Has not performed at all well so far, but then in the first game he got hit with a demolisher cannon or something and of course I roll a 1 on his save. The next game he got into combat with some DA TH/SS termies, wounding on 6+ I think due to extra toughness if i remember right and still only reducing them to a 3+ save hasn't worked.

Never ran a succubus.

I sometimes run a haemy with a hex rifle again never done too much, but I like the chance of the insta kill.

I play against wolf guard and I haven't found them using the storm shield much, usually spamming CML's, this means that my 4 Cubi and my Ach with husk blade have killed the entire squad easily before.