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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 11:37:56
Subject: First Blood
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Quick Question:
Does an HQ that has joined a unit gives First Blood VP if he dies and the rest of the unit survives?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 11:42:35
Subject: First Blood
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Easy answer yes, because he is a ic
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 12:02:06
Subject: First Blood
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Dakka Veteran
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Independent Character, p39 says "While an IC is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rule purposes...."
While he's with the unit he joined, the IC is not a unit. Consequently, if he alone is killed in the attack, the opponent hasn't satisfied the conditions of First Blood.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 16:13:58
Subject: First Blood
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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That doesn't mean he doesn't count as a unit when VPs are calculated. So yes you get 1st blood. Likewise if you kill an IC with its unit you will get 2 VPs in "purge the alien".
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/03/10 16:15:06
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 16:59:32
Subject: First Blood
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Regular Dakkanaut
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copper.talos wrote:That doesn't mean he doesn't count as a unit when VPs are calculated. So yes you get 1st blood. Likewise if you kill an IC with its unit you will get 2 VPs in "purge the alien".
This.
Likewise, if a warlord deploys with a unit and the whole unit is killed (besides the warlord) having the warlord walk around alive and alone does not keep the unit "alive" and prevent first blood. They are two separate entities when calculating VPs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 18:14:56
Subject: First Blood
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Snapshot wrote:Independent Character, p39 says "While an IC is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rule purposes...."
While he's with the unit he joined, the IC is not a unit. Consequently, if he alone is killed in the attack, the opponent hasn't satisfied the conditions of First Blood.
When the IC is dead he is no longer part of the unit as he is not joined to it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 20:34:36
Subject: First Blood
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Fresh-Faced New User
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copper.talos wrote:That doesn't mean he doesn't count as a unit when VPs are calculated. So yes you get 1st blood. Likewise if you kill an IC with its unit you will get 2 VPs in "purge the alien".
By my understanding, if the IC is joined a unit in "purge the alien" and you kill both the unit and the IC you will get 3 Vp's... 1 for first blood, 1 because the IC is counted as a unit and 1 because of the destruction of the unit that the IC has joined. Correct?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 22:09:36
Subject: First Blood
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Discriminating Deathmark Assassin
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Yes, exactly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 22:23:23
Subject: Re:First Blood
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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And if the IC was the Warlord he would give up another VP for Slay the Warlord.
So an IC thats also the Warlord in Purge the Alien thats all by himself could potentially give up 3 VPs if you kill him first.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/10 23:58:18
Subject: First Blood
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Thats a lot of points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/11 07:43:26
Subject: First Blood
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Dakka Veteran
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I stand corrected
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