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How do you think some of the characters from Fist of the North Star compare in power level to some of the 40k Characters?

FotNS characters would wreck any Imperial Guard character in the book.

The moment they encounter power armour or something with a nonhuman physiology, they're fethed because their fancy tricks won't work.

They'd also fold real nicely to a Baneblade from several kilometers away.

<distant boom>
FotNS Guy: What's that?
<shriek of inbound shell, KA-BOOM!>
<FotNS Guy vanishes into a fine red mist>

You Wa Shock!

 Psienesis wrote:
They'd also fold real nicely to a Baneblade from several kilometers away.

<distant boom>
FotNS Guy: What's that?
<shriek of inbound shell, KA-BOOM!>
<FotNS Guy vanishes into a fine red mist>

no i dont think so
tanks are not good enough ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ZeD40Rg8A

Secret Teachings wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
They'd also fold real nicely to a Baneblade from several kilometers away.

<distant boom>
FotNS Guy: What's that?
<shriek of inbound shell, KA-BOOM!>
<FotNS Guy vanishes into a fine red mist>

no i dont think so
tanks are not good enough ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ZeD40Rg8A

Hull Point system at work: Crew Stunned, Crew Stunned, Crew Stunned - no more hull points...lol

I agree that they would have trouble at range, but, while unsupported so does any character in the 40k universe. In a purely hand to hand fight, I don't think that anyone outside of a Primarch really stands a chance against Kenshiro.

I'm sorry, Horus Lupercal. You are already dead.

[walks away slowly while Horus explodes]


Kenshiro and his brothers fought off armies. They're easily primarch level, and unless the primarchs actually knew of their martial arts style, they'd probably win. Hell, Ken-oh is basically Leman Russ, or maybe a more disciplined, sane, intelligent, and competent Angron.

 Melissia wrote:
I'm sorry, Horus Lupercal. You are already dead.

[walks away slowly while Horus explodes]


Kenshiro and his brothers fought off armies. They're easily primarch level, and unless the primarchs actually knew of their martial arts style, they'd probably win. Hell, Ken-oh is basically Leman Russ, or maybe a more disciplined, sane, intelligent, and competent Angron.

I am glad to see that I am not the only one who thinks this way.

 Melissia wrote:
I'm sorry, Horus Lupercal. You are already dead.

[walks away slowly while Horus explodes]


Kenshiro and his brothers fought off armies. They're easily primarch level, and unless the primarchs actually knew of their martial arts style, they'd probably win. Hell, Ken-oh is basically Leman Russ, or maybe a more disciplined, sane, intelligent, and competent Angron.

Not being too well versed in my FotNS stuff, we're pretty much comparing two very massive degrees of Over-The-Top here?

In any sort of hand-to-hand combat, only Primarchs could stand a good chance of making a good fight. However, if it comes down to it, it would still only take a lucky bolter shot or two.....or 10....

Well to put it in perspective, one of the characters was able to use martial arts to shield himself with fire to the point that he was capable of deflecting projectiles, and whose attacks set his enemies on fire-- and whose blocks set his enemies' limbs on fire. He commanded an army of motorcycle riding guys with flamethrowers and guns.

He was killed within three episodes, I believe, and was one of the weaker characters.

The stronger ones were able to dodge bullets, kill tanks, destroy armies, cut through armor with their fingers, and make people explode or mind control them by poking them.

I'm not seeing anything here that implies they'd even be a decent challenge for a Primarch.

I can confidently say that Magnus the Red or Lorgar Aurelian could kill them with a thought.

Muso Tensei is the only real threat, in terms of physical statistics, FotNS characters aren't even in the same planet as Primarchs, or even Monstrous Creatures in general.

Carnifexes? Can snap massive Wraithbone spires with their charges. Daemon Princes? One picked up and threw a Shadowsword so hard it was destroyed, and proceeded to destroy a fortress wall by pushing it.

Cherubael, a "mere" Daemonhost, in its unleashed form destroyed a Warlord Titan, who push out and take payloads which can annihilate cities (A Deathstrike Missile is by feats more powerful than Tsar Bomba), and in a more bound state, was able to telekinetically rip a three kilometer starship from its moorings.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I'm not seeing anything here that implies they'd even be a decent challenge for a Primarch.

That depends. Are you using the more recent Black Library primarchs, or more along the lines of the "myth and legend" primarchs before they redid the Horus Heresy for something like the third time?

Because the Horus Heresy novels definitely took them down several notches in terms of power and competence.

 Melissia wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I'm not seeing anything here that implies they'd even be a decent challenge for a Primarch.

That depends. Are you using the more recent Black Library primarchs, or more along the lines of the "myth and legend" primarchs before they redid the Horus Heresy for something like the third time?

Not everything within the Index Astartes articles or other GW works dictate that all the Primarchs were capable of were "myth and legends". The "hey this might be a myth" assertion renders any sort of comparison meaningless, so it actually seems rather odd that you would assert Kenshiro is capable of besting Primarchs if you believe that their true capabilities are shrouded and unknown.

I had this debate with many others recently, and none could provide solid contradictory evidence concerning the capabilities of Primarchs concerning how they are depicted in the BL series, and even deliberately hamstringing myself by referencing only non-BL material for Primarchs, what is written about them is very impressive. More-so than Kenshiro, Raoh, or Toki.

The psyker Primarchs in particular could rather casually dispatch of any and all FotNS characters. In fact, I'd go as far as to give any sufficiently powerful psyker the win over a FotNS character.


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 Melissia wrote:
Because the Horus Heresy novels definitely took them down several notches in terms of power and competence.

How so?

 Void__Dragon wrote:
How so?

Because it humanized them. Writing stories about a myth and legend is a double edged sword.

Let's compare it to comic books. Superman as a legend is an unbeatable badass who always does the right thing and saves the day. This makes for an epic legend, but for a boring character to write about. However, as a person from comic to comic, Superman has inherent flaws and weaknesses. This makes for an interesting character, but it also means that he cannot actually live up to the legend.

So why do you think Kenshiro can beat Primarchs?

 Void__Dragon wrote:
So why do you think Kenshiro can beat Primarchs?

I believe that he stands a chance, assuming you take him at the end of the series where he has learned to call upon the spirits and martial arts forms of the various people he has defeated-- and thus is capable of cutting through armor as if it's nothing, moving fast enough that he cannot be seen, striking enemies from a distance with enough force to tear them apart, and so on... in combination with Hokuto Shinken and his own fighting spirit and amazing durability (he was fast enough to dodge shotgun blasts and durable enough to withstand grenades and tank cannon fire).

Ken-Oh would also have a chance . He was utterly huge, primarch-like in size and musculature, with his brute force allowing him to tear apart mountains and the like, and with enough skill that he is capable of predicting his opponents movements, with the exception of a single opponent... whose untouchable spirit and unpredictable martial art form he can summon for his own uses, along with the power to move mountains from another opponent he killed. He wasn't as skilled as Kenshiro in summoning the spirits and skill of the dead he had fought with, though, but he did have more personal power.

Toki... it depends. Even after being hit with a nuclear bomb and suffering from radiation poisoning, he was still capable of putting up a severe battle against both Ken-Oh and Kenshiro. But if one were to take Toki in his prime, he was capable of killing enemies with a touch, and making them like it. Kenshiro's power was such that beasts submitted to him for death, while Ken-Oh as terrifying enough that beasts died from fear. But Toki's power and style was such that they begged him for death, and embraced it. His Hokuto Shinken style was the strongest of the three, and the hardest to resist. But in sickness, he'd not stand much of a chance... but then again, most of the primarchs probably wouldn't WANT to kill him.

Jagi... heh. He'd die quickly, and deserve it.

 Melissia wrote:
I believe that he stands a chance, assuming you take him at the end of the series where he has learned to call upon the spirits and martial arts forms of the various people he has defeated-- and thus is capable of cutting through armor as if it's nothing,

Any of that armour on the level of master-crafted artificier or terminator armour, second in durability and thickness to no other suit in the galaxy?

Hell, even unarmoured, the bodies of the Primarchs have withstood incredible punishment. Curze survived the descent through Nostramo's crust and mantle. This is present both within Index Astartes, and in The Dark King, by Graham McNeill.

moving fast enough that he cannot be seen,

Many Primarchs have managed this feat against even Space Marines, off the top of my head, Curze, Corax, Dorn, Angron, and even Lorgar have done this. Space Marines of course having superhuman reaction-times and perceptions, stated in the codices, expanded upon in novels. Bullet-timing feats aren't particularly rare.

striking enemies from a distance with enough force to tear them apart,

Magnus can also do this.

Only he does it to Titans.

and so on... in combination with Hokuto Shinken and his own fighting spirit and amazing durability (he was fast enough to dodge shotgun blasts and durable enough to withstand grenades and tank cannon fire).

Those are things that aren't particularly effective at penetrating power armour though.

Ken-Oh would also have a chance . He was utterly huge, primarch-like in size and musculature,

Out of curiosity, I decided to look up Raoh's height and weight.

I got 6'11", and 320 pounds as my answer.

That admittedly seems goofy as hell and wrong, especially the weight, since a man even of 6'11" and that muscular should weigh more than 320 pounds. I'll just chalk that up to general writer goofiness, along with Sagat being 7'4", yet somehow 180 pounds.

with his brute force allowing him to tear apart mountains and the like

Dunno, I think Jagi was way too petty for that.

Despite Curze's pretensions, it is arguable that the Night Lords were not really noble demons whom fought evil with evil, but always just sadists and murderers. Some within the Legion even believe this.

Well yes, but there's a difference between that and just being a petty, pathetic person.

Lance Strike ...
From orbit ...
Can they fly ? The Imperium have flyers and Space Ships and trillions of soldiers

Throw enough Guardsmen (or Space Marines in HH time) at any problem and it will fold and die eventually !

The same could be said of every character, except maybe Draigo.